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  1. #141
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    So Norske kvinner er det same! blah, blah, blah. Found myself tuning out with the bride's trivia today. She didn't even notice the gloss in my eyes... She did not register the following even though it has been less than 48 hours:

    Wed we "celebrated" Thanksgiving with my sister and 2 of her kids. The oldest, female, regards me like a father figure (her father is more gyno and unconscious than my sister) and pumped me about her latest man interest. She's 38.... I likened men to a barrel of crude oil, where the flotsam floats and the sludge sinks. My sister caught on right away from my detailed description that her "friend" was sludge. "I'm reasonably attractive, and blah blah blah. Why is he not interested in me?" Well for starters, she's about 50 kilos over weight. Add to that the rest of typical feline attitudes. I doubt that she grasped in her thoughts that the metaphor applies to women as well, even though we talked about like attracting like, and my sister tried to emphasize that to her daughter.

    The next day I tried to talk to my bride about the matter, pointing out that women who men view as 8,9, or 10s are visually appealing, but lacking considerably in self-esteem and intelligence. She bristled at the suggestion. Oh no, there ARE bright women who are very attractive! To avoid another passion storm, I did not ask; Name one. She rebels at the notion of categorizing people (a Sociology graduate!), insisting people are not all the same. Well, no, all persons are not clones. But men ARE men, and women ARE women, and like the barrel of crude oil we each fit somewhere in there at some level. No exceptions. I don't think my niece grasped that if she is interested in a sludge type personality, then that bespeaks something of her choice being familiar.... I subsequently wrote her about changing who she was to get what she believes she's worth.

    The thing that is so discouraging here is I had these conversations with her ten years previous. She didn't get it then, marrying another sludge-type man, and now in the throws and woes of divorce, and still doesn't appear to get it. A perfect example of Hindmarh's declaration that women do not learn from their experiences. Women truly have a listening deficit. The bride does the same thing. They are all headcases of some degree, some level of the barrel. That's what women are until the hormones driving it subside, or they employ the mental discipline sufficient to override the impetus. Same for men, BTW. But how many actually discipline their passions? The Buddhist masters knew that women have grave difficulty with it.

    In all the places I have lived, visiting most all the countries of Europe, England, Japan, Taiwan, Canada, and Mexico, though I have observed some women who suppress their passions while conversing with men, they still think with their tits as we used to say in puberty. There is a parable about a snake similar to Tro & Utro, wherein the snake promises another animal not to bite it. By and by, the snake bites it. When asked why, the snake said: "Because that is what I do." Zebras hang out in herds because predators have difficulty distinguishing prey in the zebra herd. Individually they have different markings, but the fundamental design is the same. inasmuch as they do not learn to manage their emoting as a tool of enlightenment, rather than a "weapon" of manipulation, they are headcases. And feminists are overgrown children who are headcases on steroids. Maybe I'm just getting old, decrepit and rigid. Like Vilar said, we get so inured to it we are not aware of how pervasive it is, and when we start to see it so prevalent, don't want to believe it is true. Went through that cycle leaving the cult, and it truly smacks of the same type of incredulity. We don't want to believe for various logical arguments what our senses are registering.
    Exiting Wally’s World one day I spied a spiffy Harley, just being stood by a tall, full broad. I remarked to my blond bone: Nice Hawg. Whereupon she asked: Which, the woman or the bike?

    “Good Friends are like Diamonds, while False Friends are like Autumn Leaves found every where.” --Unknown

    I once tried to read to my bride from one of the wonderful books in my library. She feel asleep inside of five minutes. But if I snort in my sleep, she is awake like the owl. Then I learned from Ms. Vilar that "...woman does not read the wonderful books with which he has filled his libraries." Then I found not many men do either.

  2. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by Klokman View Post
    So Norske kvinner er det same!
    Much alike most places, I guess. I like'm, though, many of them are nice, and some of them are quite nice


    She didn't even notice the gloss in my eyes...
    Yes, and, you know, they say of themselves that women are such great communicators ...?
    If it weren't t o t a l l y unmanly, I'd giggle, sometimes.


    Add to that the rest of typical feline attitudes.
    And 'attitudes' is the very key.
    What you are hearing is not somebody _thinking_.
    What you are hearing, is the squeak of the wheel as the rationalization hamster runs extra laps to power the smoke machine that fogs out the truth so that it doesn't hurt her narcissistic self-image. Do not mistake this for higher-level cognitive activity. Admitted, it _is_ a skill, and they start practicing it as soon as they learn to read Marie Claire et al. Women like that are indeed, as de Beauvoir claims, not born, they are made.
    The Japanese have a saying about clear springs: when it stops running, the muddy water rushes in.
    So there is an attempt at constant overpressure in the self-esteem spout, lest ugly, ugly things should pollute the crystal palace.

    She bristled at the suggestion. Oh no, there ARE bright women who are very attractive!
    Same, same, but different.
    They don't kow the difference between a universal statement (refuted by any single counter-example) and the report of a statistical probability (where any single counter-example merely places you somewhere on the matrix. The probability distribution remains the same, and remains true).
    And again, they take care to decouple the mind before opening the word hopper, which now runs on fumes from glandular emotional hormones:
    "froth or flight"-syndrome.

    The thing that is so discouraging here is I had these conversations with her ten years previous.
    Which should demonstrate to you that your approach is not the right one.

    They are all headcases of some degree
    Nah ... they dance to the beat of the female imperative. You think they're mad because you don't hear the music.
    You're measuring them by your own standards, or with yourself as the yardstick. I doubt that that gives you good data.
    Not to criticize you, though. I agree that it is a fine ideal; the question is, is it attainable by all.

    You kow that when men argue with women, they present how they feel as the final end to all chains of reasoning.
    That she feels this or that is like bedrock, the demiurge himself, unexplicable and unalterable, chiselled in granite, perennial for eternity.
    But when it comes to what youu feel, they have no compunction telling you that you feel wrong and should change what you feel.
    And if you can eavesdrop when to women talk, it's just the same. I'm convinced there is a special truth criterion for women: Nothing is true until you've told someone. They ask each other how they should feel about things, and telling some girlfriend is often enough for them to decide. Perhaps the girlfriend gives off almost imperceptible non-verbal clues. Perhaps she gives advice ("Divorce him, and get the house and kids", usually).

    Spinoza said that you can't argue with emotion, i.e. rationality and emotion are like two different languages, which do not decode each other.
    What you can do, what you in fact _have to_ do, says he, is to fight fire with fire.
    Emotion can only be overcome by another, stronger counter-emotion.

    So ... have fun playing with matches

    M
    Last edited by Manalysis; 11-25-2017 at 01:08 AM.

  3. #143
    Well I've always enjoyed pyrotechnics. Just not that kind. Did a lot of "fighting" emotion with emotion in the first marriage. Fruitless. Oldest child like the niece--compromise means giving her what she wants, and you getting what they don't.

    The niece? Her mother has not had any success with her daughter either. I suppose that means both our approaches are ineffective. Or, just maybe she is one of those women who truly has a listening deficit (very domineering and controlling, but slow to figure people's motives like her deranged father, yet perennially asking for advice) and will never respond to any approach.

    There was one Norwegian gal I would have liked to investigate years ago. I bumped into her 20 years later. She looked like she had hardly aged even though she had married and had children. Her husband had died not long before I met her again. A lovely spirit in her, even after so much time. I just don't know that the cultural and gender differences could have been surmounted. Part of what I would have liked to find out. It just might have proved the bride's argument!
    Exiting Wally’s World one day I spied a spiffy Harley, just being stood by a tall, full broad. I remarked to my blond bone: Nice Hawg. Whereupon she asked: Which, the woman or the bike?

    “Good Friends are like Diamonds, while False Friends are like Autumn Leaves found every where.” --Unknown

    I once tried to read to my bride from one of the wonderful books in my library. She feel asleep inside of five minutes. But if I snort in my sleep, she is awake like the owl. Then I learned from Ms. Vilar that "...woman does not read the wonderful books with which he has filled his libraries." Then I found not many men do either.

  4. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by Klokman View Post
    Found myself tuning out with the bride's trivia today.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPPG0UauHDo

    M

  5. #145
    That one is not available here.
    Exiting Wally’s World one day I spied a spiffy Harley, just being stood by a tall, full broad. I remarked to my blond bone: Nice Hawg. Whereupon she asked: Which, the woman or the bike?

    “Good Friends are like Diamonds, while False Friends are like Autumn Leaves found every where.” --Unknown

    I once tried to read to my bride from one of the wonderful books in my library. She feel asleep inside of five minutes. But if I snort in my sleep, she is awake like the owl. Then I learned from Ms. Vilar that "...woman does not read the wonderful books with which he has filled his libraries." Then I found not many men do either.

  6. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by Klokman View Post
    That one is not available here.
    Sry, it was the SNL sketch with John Belushi as Don Corleone in psychotherapy, along with the blond stewardess.
    The truth was out there, once.

    M

  7. #147
    Probably would have gone overhead anyway. I've tried to find interest in SNL over the years since its inception without success. Blues Brothers is about as Belushi as I've ever gotten.
    Exiting Wally’s World one day I spied a spiffy Harley, just being stood by a tall, full broad. I remarked to my blond bone: Nice Hawg. Whereupon she asked: Which, the woman or the bike?

    “Good Friends are like Diamonds, while False Friends are like Autumn Leaves found every where.” --Unknown

    I once tried to read to my bride from one of the wonderful books in my library. She feel asleep inside of five minutes. But if I snort in my sleep, she is awake like the owl. Then I learned from Ms. Vilar that "...woman does not read the wonderful books with which he has filled his libraries." Then I found not many men do either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manalysis View Post
    Hi,

    remember when the F's spoke about reducing the population of men to 10 %?
    What I think is happening now, is exactly that; however, it's not a physical reduction, androcide, it's a social and sexual reduction.
    If the #metoo power grab succeeds - look for more money for feminists, more feminist workplace positions and policies, more legislation - soon 90% of men will be swept off the marketplace, no matter how much any man ducks or reducks to avoid the female gaze.

    M
    I think those feminists are stupid or blind. I don't think that women compete for the top 10% of men because of the innate traits of those "alpha" men, but rather by nature of them being in the top 10%. You can see that in how quickly they abandon someone who falls down the ladder.

    No, if those feminists got their wish, they would very quickly be competing over the top 10% of the 10% that remained. Sure some would settle for a 9% guy, but most would resent it. Because it's not about who the guy is, it's about validating their self-worth by getting attached to the highest position man their sexuality will buy them.
    "...but when she goes off you, she will not just walk away, she will walk away with your fucking skin in a jar." ~~ DoctorRandomercam
    "The laws of man, they don't apply when blood gets in a woman's eye" - The Black Keys

  9. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by Mifune View Post
    I think those feminists are stupid or blind. I don't think that women compete for the top 10% of men because of the innate traits of those "alpha" men, but rather by nature of them being in the top 10%. You can see that in how quickly they abandon someone who falls down the ladder.
    Apart from the irony of "alpha" etc. being an erroneous theory and then seeing it being misunderstood by dating coaches ... Yes.
    Some men have an 'animal magnetism', but it's just that: brute. While some are clever enough to become psychopath bosses, most of them end up poodle rock guitarists or bikers. A completely different set of men makes it to the top in society, and their attraction is of course due to their position. Evidence: Kissinger.
    And since a position is temporary, being an 'alpha' is a role one gets to play for a while, then it is time for the exit.

    Robert Mugabe is so old that he'll probably shuffle off this mortal coil ere long, but for that I think we'd see Grace M. leaving him post haste.

    No, if those feminists got their wish, they would very quickly be competing over the top 10% of the 10% that remained. Sure some would settle for a 9% guy, but most would resent it. Because it's not about who the guy is, it's about validating their self-worth by getting attached to the highest position man their sexuality will buy them.
    Agreed. Women have one ting to trade, and for that they have to get everything else. Hence their entire waking day is spent in maintaining the cartel, the price, the position, and, of course, if possible to strengthen them. There's little room for any other interests or pursuits, which makes them rather one-dimensional.

    M

  10. #150

    Speech vs Consequences

    Hi,

    I find it strange that people can say, with a serious face, that yes, there is and should be freedom of speech, but not freedom from consequences.
    What is freedom of speech _other than_ freedom from consequences? To speak your mind and not be sanctioned for it?

    And these people are the same who howl about online harassment, which, obvioulsy, is a consequence of someone speaking freely.
    So ... there should be freedom from consequences if you have the approved opinion ...?

    M
    Last edited by Manalysis; 12-05-2017 at 07:06 AM.

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