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    Notice how rapidly this thread was invaded by religious types pushing their views.

    I've respected the believer thread and not posted in it, in accordance with the OPs wishes and GOMs warning that anyone derailing the thread would be perma-banned, (which incidentally also came with the statement that the same would apply to a non believers thread).

    And yet here we are, with the usual suspects failing to extend the courtesy in reverse.

    So how about it GOM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpb View Post
    Notice how rapidly this thread was invaded by religious types pushing their views.

    I've respected the believer thread and not posted in it, in accordance with the OPs wishes and GOMs warning that anyone derailing the thread would be perma-banned, (which incidentally also came with the statement that the same would apply to a non believers thread).

    And yet here we are, with the usual suspects failing to extend the courtesy in reverse.

    So how about it GOM?
    Good point

    If your pushing your religion stop posting on this Thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy Old Man View Post
    Good point

    If your pushing your religion stop posting on this Thread.
    I'm guessing this is referring to me. I'll refrain from further conversation, though in my defense I was asked a direct question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theplummer View Post
    I'm guessing this is referring to me. I'll refrain from further conversation, though in my defense I was asked a direct question.
    Roger. In all fairness I told the Atheists not to post on the true believer thread and we should let the non faith folks run their own thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy Old Man View Post
    Roger. In all fairness I told the Atheists not to post on the true believer thread and we should let the non faith folks run their own thread.
    I concur. And apologize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theplummer View Post
    I'm guessing this is referring to me. I'll refrain from further conversation, though in my defense I was asked a direct question.
    Hi,

    while that is very gracious of you, allow me to emphasize the wording of GOM's message, which I agree fully with;
    and which in any interpretation leads to the conclusion that no poster is unwelcome in this thread.
    I just thought that a thread like this would also be possible here in the Forum, and could lead to some interesting posts.

    Regards,
    M

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    Quote Originally Posted by theplummer View Post
    I concur. And apologize.
    No need to.

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    Nearness Ethics

    Hi,

    stealing this one from Deirdre, knowing s/he will forgive me.

    Luke 6, 32-36 (New Revised Standard Version)
    "[Jesus said] ‘If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. If you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. If you lend to those from whom you hope to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to receive as much back again. But love your enemies, do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return. Your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High; for he is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked. Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful."

    Compare this with the contrast between Kohlberg's six stages of morality
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawren...al_development

    and Carol Gilligan's "ethics of care"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics_of_care

    CG is the founder of "difference feminism" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Difference_feminism ),
    which should be particularly relevant for the anti-Chivalry brigade


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    Quote Originally Posted by Manalysis View Post
    Hi,

    stealing this one from Deirdre, knowing s/he will forgive me.

    Luke 6, 32-36 (New Revised Standard Version)
    "[Jesus said] ‘If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. If you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. If you lend to those from whom you hope to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to receive as much back again. But love your enemies, do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return. Your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High; for he is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked. Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful."

    Compare this with the contrast between Kohlberg's six stages of morality
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawren...al_development

    and Carol Gilligan's "ethics of care"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics_of_care

    CG is the founder of "difference feminism" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Difference_feminism ),
    which should be particularly relevant for the anti-Chivalry brigade


    M
    LOL I'm a she, and no worries, no rhetorical apologies needed. ^_^
    Philosophy is a fascinating thing, and your thread here is quite interesting.

    There is room for atheists and theists to share the same philosophy table. Some think religion is just another 'branch' of philosophy, so there's always new ways to view old topics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deidre View Post
    LOL I'm a she
    OK. But ah, do we live in an age of uncertainty wrt. correct gender pronouns ...

    and no worries, no rhetorical apologies needed.
    That was a joke referencing the subject of the post

    Philosophy is a fascinating thing
    Yup.

    There is room for atheists and theists to share the same philosophy table.
    Yes. But like any other craft, it has its materials, like propositions and arguments, and its tools, logic and argument.
    Without that, things we say can be many things, but it won't be philosophy.

    Some think religion is just another 'branch' of philosophy
    Never heard that before. Wrt. theology, perhaps, but not religion itself.

    so there's always new ways to view old topics.
    Perhaps you just did.

    M

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