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    Quote Originally Posted by StrongSilentType View Post
    I've got a CCNA; my last interview for a network engineer was a group interview with 10 people, for a $25,000/year job. That's the local job market. A+ gets you $8/hour.

    I've got a B.S. in physics and chemistry, with some research work; I graduated right after Obama killed the successor to the space shuttle program and laid off 15% of all the physicists in the country. I have been competing with guys with master's degrees and a couple of years at NASA for $12/hour lab tech jobs.

    I originally trained as an electronics and control systems tech.... just as the last of the manufacturing left town in the 1990s. Foreign manufacturers have come in, but I'm trained on the wrong brand of control system (it doesn't make any difference, but the HR airheads don't know that, and you can't tell them anything). The only job I ever had from that was working in a sweatshop 60 hours/week on a salary of $23,000 ($6.31/hour), which fired me for showing up 3 minutes late after visiting my sick 5-week-old son in the hospital.

    I really don't know what to do next; sometimes I think that I should try joining the military, to see if that would cause all war to stop.

    If you want the real answer, stop looking where you're looking and start looking in the DC area. There's always somebody hiring.
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    SST, if yr not actually bullshitting ... consider HVAC.

    you'd prolly make a great controls guy
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    Quote Originally Posted by StrongSilentType View Post
    I've got a CCNA; my last interview for a network engineer was a group interview with 10 people, for a $25,000/year job. That's the local job market. A+ gets you $8/hour.

    I've got a B.S. in physics and chemistry, with some research work; I graduated right after Obama killed the successor to the space shuttle program and laid off 15% of all the physicists in the country. I have been competing with guys with master's degrees and a couple of years at NASA for $12/hour lab tech jobs.

    I originally trained as an electronics and control systems tech.... just as the last of the manufacturing left town in the 1990s. Foreign manufacturers have come in, but I'm trained on the wrong brand of control system (it doesn't make any difference, but the HR airheads don't know that, and you can't tell them anything). The only job I ever had from that was working in a sweatshop 60 hours/week on a salary of $23,000 ($6.31/hour), which fired me for showing up 3 minutes late after visiting my sick 5-week-old son in the hospital.

    I really don't know what to do next; sometimes I think that I should try joining the military, to see if that would cause all war to stop.
    Where did you find a job with A+ as a requirement that only pays 8$ an hour? In what part of the world does a walmart employee make 10$ and hour and an IT support/Computer Tech/Etc makes 8$/hour?
    I can sympathize with your situation but I haven't worked anything below 15$ an hour in Nova Scotia, and I haven't seen anything below 12$ an hour for entry level support jobs at really cheap companies. Then again we do pay ~35% more for just about everything as Canadians, so it evens out.

    NS is one of the toughest provinces to find work in, so it's a sellers market. If I moved to the outskirts of Toronto I could easily make 20$+ an hour.
    Wherever you are living it sounds like your best move is to get the hell out of there, unless cost of living is next to nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StrongSilentType View Post
    I've got a CCNA; my last interview for a network engineer was a group interview with 10 people, for a $25,000/year job. That's the local job market. A+ gets you $8/hour.
    Supply and demand I'm afraid. Glad I'm no longer in IT as apparently it's going through its worst slump in years. About 50% of the IT contractors here are out of work, including a pal of mine. Cold comfort, but you're not the only one slapped in the face by the situation.


    I've got a B.S. in physics and chemistry, with some research work; I graduated right after Obama killed the successor to the space shuttle program and laid off 15% of all the physicists in the country. I have been competing with guys with master's degrees and a couple of years at NASA for $12/hour lab tech jobs.
    I do sympathise, and also apologise for the 'embarrassment' comment earlier, but I have to disagree with the assertion you live in an area with favourable employment conditions. Your skills are specialised, I'm not surprised you're not in the desired job, basically unless you live in an aerospace/deep science area, you're not gonna get much - what, would you fly to an interview? Sad to say, but as below I think it's your familial conditions keeping you from work.

    I originally trained as an electronics and control systems tech.... just as the last of the manufacturing left town in the 1990s. Foreign manufacturers have come in, but I'm trained on the wrong brand of control system (it doesn't make any difference, but the HR airheads don't know that, and you can't tell them anything). The only job I ever had from that was working in a sweatshop 60 hours/week on a salary of $23,000 ($6.31/hour), which fired me for showing up 3 minutes late after visiting my sick 5-week-old son in the hospital.
    I'm sorry, bud. (Hug)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MatrixTransform View Post
    SST, if yr not actually bullshitting ... consider HVAC.

    you'd prolly make a great controls guy

    Yup, that's what my brother did. Started his own little company and now he goes around and services a number of small businesses, a couple of apt complexes, and private residences. He's been doing that for close to 10 years now. He's not rich by any means, but it pays the bills for him and his family. Everybody needs heat in the Winter and Cooling in the Summer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MatrixTransform View Post
    SST, if yr not actually bullshitting ... consider HVAC.

    you'd prolly make a great controls guy
    I've done some HVAC work, but... around here, it's a mess. The last guy I was working for got arrested for installing units without getting permits.

    I've done electrical work, but it's much the same. No unions, so no pay, no job security, and as soon as there is any kind of slowdown in the business, you're gone.

    I used to do irrigation systems, but seasonal, low pay, etc.

    In the fall and early winter, I gather wild ginseng for $300/lb.

    I'm actually getting ready to do my taxes, and I'll have to check, but I might have made as much buying and selling cars this year than I did in a regular job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mik1 View Post
    Where did you find a job with A+ as a requirement that only pays 8$ an hour?
    Staples. Best Buy. Whatever that company is that emails me once a week for a contract tech position.


    Quote Originally Posted by mik1 View Post
    In what part of the world does a walmart employee make 10$ and hour and an IT support/Computer Tech/Etc makes 8$/hour?
    Most of the southeast U.S.


    Quote Originally Posted by mik1 View Post
    I can sympathize with your situation but I haven't worked anything below 15$ an hour in Nova Scotia, and I haven't seen anything below 12$ an hour for entry level support jobs at really cheap companies. Then again we do pay ~35% more for just about everything as Canadians, so it evens out.
    2/3 of 12 is 8, so that's about right.


    Quote Originally Posted by mik1 View Post
    NS is one of the toughest provinces to find work in, so it's a sellers market. If I moved to the outskirts of Toronto I could easily make 20$+ an hour.
    Wherever you are living it sounds like your best move is to get the hell out of there, unless cost of living is next to nothing.
    Well, the cost of living is next to nothing; right now, I'm renting a trailer for $100/week, including utilities. The downside is that you can't afford large items that are consistently priced across the country; cars, for example. I have never owned a new car in my life. When I had good jobs, I had 1-year-old used cars a couple of times (but never again!).


    And yes, moving would be great, except for a few problems:

    1. My children are here, I do not have custody, and their mothers are fruitcakes who will not move with me.

    2. The rest of the country seems to have a bias against Southerners. At least, every job interview I've ever gone out of town for left me feeling like I was the comparison model; i.e. they didn't take me seriously.

    I was hoping federal hiring might change that, but...

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrongSilentType View Post
    Staples. Best Buy. Whatever that company is that emails me once a week for a contract tech position.




    Most of the southeast U.S.




    2/3 of 12 is 8, so that's about right.




    Well, the cost of living is next to nothing; right now, I'm renting a trailer for $100/week, including utilities. The downside is that you can't afford large items that are consistently priced across the country; cars, for example. I have never owned a new car in my life. When I had good jobs, I had 1-year-old used cars a couple of times (but never again!).


    And yes, moving would be great, except for a few problems:

    1. My children are here, I do not have custody, and their mothers are fruitcakes who will not move with me.

    2. The rest of the country seems to have a bias against Southerners. At least, every job interview I've ever gone out of town for left me feeling like I was the comparison model; i.e. they didn't take me seriously.

    I was hoping federal hiring might change that, but...

    Screw working for the government. Nice benefits at one time, but not so much anymore. You want to work for a Federal contractor. That's where the money is. Or in government grants. You've got all those degrees, why not start applying for grants? Study how many Muslims they can keep out per square foot of wall or something. There are so many zany fields of research that people actually pay money for, it's ridiculous. You might consider waste management-- I don't mean as a trash collector, but as a "researcher". They often go after grants or jobs where they have to have XYZ qualifications / credentials in order to qualify. I used to have a friend some years ago who worked in the industry and she was always hiring people just because they had to have some esoteric thing on the contract.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaybee View Post
    Supply and demand I'm afraid. Glad I'm no longer in IT as apparently it's going through its worst slump in years. About 50% of the IT contractors here are out of work, including a pal of mine. Cold comfort, but you're not the only one slapped in the face by the situation.
    Yep; why I ditched and went back to college 10 years ago.

    At the time, I looked up the department of labor and chose the field with the combination of highest earning potential, most demand, and cheapest education path; only doctors and lawyers make more than physicists, and medical and law school are expensive.

    As I always say, though: Things change

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaybee View Post
    I do sympathise, and also apologise for the 'embarrassment' comment earlier, but I have to disagree with the assertion you live in an area with favourable employment conditions. Your skills are specialised, I'm not surprised you're not in the desired job, basically unless you live in an aerospace/deep science area, you're not gonna get much - what, would you fly to an interview? Sad to say, but as below I think it's your familial conditions keeping you from work.
    Kind of; obviously you don't know about my area. I am absolutely in an "aerospace/deep science" area; within 2 hours of me are: Arnold (experimental) and Robbins Air Force Bases; U.S. Space and Rocket Center (NASA); U.S. Army Missile Command at Redstone Arsenal; Oak Ridge National Laboratory; TVA; the Institute for Space and Defense Electronics (Vanderbilt University); a Volkswagen auto plant (and suppliers) and R&D center; a Nissan auto plant (and suppliers); a GM auto plant (you get the idea) and R&D center; and Boeing just closed a plant.

    And that's just in directly related fields; do you have any idea how many jobs just want, "Bachelor of Science, 3.0 GPA, 20 hours of <math, chemistry, physics>?" That 3.0 isn't like a 3.0 in History or English; 300 and up science classes have 20+% failure rates, across the board. The best colleges in the country want a 3.1 for their physics grad programs. I was the guy who never had to retake a physics or chemistry class, and still came out with a 3.0. If I had had time to retake a couple...

    Yes, I have flown to interviews.

    The issue is that for the last 6 years, our government has been in an internal slap fight, and most of that time was spent under budget sequester, which seriously crimped federal hiring. It really just got back to normal in 2016, and now it's frozen again. Federal hiring doesn't just impact those jobs, it impacts downstream jobs, as well; a lot of positions are, "analyze the data this other guy collected," or, "compile the analyses these other guys did into a report," and if that first guy isn't there...

    I just applied for a field engineer position last night (the guy who goes out and collects the data, or what I call, "the fun part )


    Quote Originally Posted by Jaybee View Post
    I'm sorry, bud. (Hug)
    Lol, it was 17 year ago; that's the kid who's enlisting in the Marines.


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    Don't volunteer to commit state-sponsored Murder.
    I'm too old, anymore, anyway. Besides, they'd put me in the reactor room of a submarine or aircraft carrier; that's a pretty far removal from any of the actual murder

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