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    Techniques For Debating A Feminist?

    I'm currently in a debate with a male feminist and trying out various tactics. I tried the hardline "how can you be this stupid" approach but they just closed off and doubled down.

    I switched to the "apologize for getting angry" approach and I'm waiting to hear back
    Numbnuts just can't fathom that men are legitimately denied human rights while women are usually only denied privileges in first world countries.
    I'm in the middle of the ol wage gap debate

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    It depends on the feminist.

    Here's a good example:


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    Her initial approach calling the feminist crazy certainly wasn't working for me Had to switch gears into finding some "common ground", which is really just rewording the facts to be less confrontational so this twit might actually be inclined to read them.

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    If he's dating, married to or sleeping with an outspoken/vocal feminist...good luck. lol You probably won't get through.

    Dismantling feminism usually isn't done with common debates on topics...he will have to get screwed over by feminism to eventually abandon it. There are some decent points about feminism (in theory)...but, it's not about equality, it's about entitlements for women.

    A good piece of advice when debating anyone, about anything...is to know when to walk away, and don't stoop to ad homs and name calling. Stay calm, and argue the points of the topic, don't cut to the character of the person you're debating with, because it will cause your listener to shut down. If someone starts name calling and such during a debate, he/she probably doesn't have a strong debate. So, that's my general advice.
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    The point of arguing with feminists is to show the audience how insane they are. One on one there is no point beyond perhaps honing your own logic and arguments, but if you are trying to convert them... well, it's probably a lost cause. I know I don't have the energy to devote to trying to reason with insane people for their sake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mik1 View Post
    I'm currently in a debate with a male feminist and trying out various tactics. I tried the hardline "how can you be this stupid" approach but they just closed off and doubled down.

    I switched to the "apologize for getting angry" approach and I'm waiting to hear back
    Numbnuts just can't fathom that men are legitimately denied human rights while women are usually only denied privileges in first world countries.
    I'm in the middle of the ol wage gap debate

    I find earplugs and a good book pretty effective.
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    If you want to show a male Feminist the light, don't argue/confront. I find that idealists of ALL beliefs tend to become enamoured with idea, not fact. Just chit chat politely, then subtly steer the conversation towards sex, then as you're about to get up and go...

    If he's a Millennial, tell him "You must be getting laid a lot more than your non-Feminist buddies!"

    If not, tell him, "You must be getting laid a lot more since becoming a Feminist!".

    Either way, don't wait for his reply, because A: you've just delivered the payload, and B: his initial reaction will just be to deny that Feminism is a portal to her feminine parts. Ironically, showing support for Feminism ISN'T an effective way of getting your fuck on with women, quite the opposite. He'll eventually realise that horrible, horrible truth, later or sooner, and thanks to you planting the seed in his head, sooner.
    >>"and in other news, the Judge in the case of AVFM Vs Feminazism ruled today that the creators of 'Gender Equality' are guilty of Intent to Obtain Social Change by Deception. The Feminazi case collapsed just one day into the trial, after a 1st year medical student demonstrated that men are not, in fact, equal to women".<<


    Newbie AVFM Member, 2 days in: "My eyes, why do my eyes hurt?"

    Jaybee, cautious tone: "You've never used them before".

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    Quote Originally Posted by mik1 View Post
    I'm currently in a debate with a male feminist and trying out various tactics. I tried the hardline "how can you be this stupid" approach but they just closed off and doubled down.

    I switched to the "apologize for getting angry" approach and I'm waiting to hear back
    Numbnuts just can't fathom that men are legitimately denied human rights while women are usually only denied privileges in first world countries.
    I'm in the middle of the ol wage gap debate
    Hi,

    I: Get some books on how to argue. There's plenty of them.

    II: I'll put down the most trivial of basics. A fifth of knowledge solves four-fifths of problems.
    Below is a fifth of a fifth of a fifth of a ...


    A: Craftsmanship Case - Individual conversations


    "What is right" in many versions depends on where and how people see their "ultimates". The two important ultimates in debate are the true and the good.

    Note that people are doers, which means that the good is the ultimate ultimate, so to speak; and the true serves to achieve the good.

    Values
    Most people do not really know what they say when they are speaking. That's not my opinion, that is Hegel. That doesn't make it true, but it sure makes it hard to debate
    Somewhere in everyone's hierarchy of views and preferences, there's usually some inconsistency, like being in favour of equality and fairness, and therefore becoming a feminist.
    One cannot be a feminist of the here so often lamented type and also be in favour of equality and fairness.
    If you want to trip them up on this, then always convert some claim into an application of a principle:
    - Hitting women is wrong.
    - OK. And that is wrong because hitting is wrong, right?
    - Yes. It's violence. It's abuse.
    - Agree. And all violence is wrong. All abuse is wrong. Right?
    - Deffo.
    - So .... tell me ...

    Honesty
    If they revert to the claim that this only holds for women, then go to " 'X holds only for one sex' is the very definition of sexism".
    IOW, maintain the factual high ground. Be right. That means no lying, no cutting corners, no hyperbole, no sophistry.
    While it's time consuming to do so, all these can be refuted, making you the bad guy.

    Truth
    What is factual and what is not is hardly ever possible to establish, because we all rely on second-hand to, like, 37-hand reports.
    The main question is always: how do we know? Make them account for that. Do the wikipedia thing and discount all non-reliable sources.
    Have reliable sources.

    Tone
    To find these inconsistencies, you have to listen like psychoanalyst, and ask like an interrogation specialist; or vice versa.
    Ask questions, let them speak, at length, and reply with questions that steer them towards ever higher principles.

    Edit: This is the realm of "why"-questions. Always ask for justification. What is the reason they think this or that?

    Sooner or later the cracks will appear.
    If converting is the goal, it's very useful to let them do most of the talking, because nobody can be converted against their will, but people can change their minds if they feel it is them doing it.
    Never press for an admission.


    B. Industrial case - before an audience
    As others have pointed out, when performing debate in public, the minds of the audience are both the playing field, the rules, the goal and the prize.
    Like a duel, it is not about who is right, but about surviving the fight, preferably as the winner.
    You can do worse than have a peak at Schopenhauer's "Art of Controversy - 38 tricks for felling your opponent", which is published online.
    It's a bit dated, the language is cumbersome - but still readable - and the fundamentals are rock solid.
    And again, I'm sure there are lots of modern publications on this.
    Like war, du to the myriad possible configurations of forces, there is no general advice to be given.
    The painful lesson of sports holds here, too: "Training gives results."
    No training, no results.

    This forum, btw, is a good place to practice - plenty people with strong opinions here, and you've got nothing to lose

    HTH

    M
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    Quote Originally Posted by ComradePrescott View Post
    The point of arguing with feminists is to show the audience how insane they are.
    Basically this.

    Though there is a difference between the card-carry insane liberal arts grad 'feminist' and the person who just thinks feminism means 'equal rights for women' who doesn't have time to watch a few Milo vids or a read a Warren Farrell book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxx View Post
    Basically this.

    Though there is a difference between the card-carry insane liberal arts grad 'feminist' and the person who just thinks feminism means 'equal rights for women' who doesn't have time to watch a few Milo vids or a read a Warren Farrell book.
    yeah, and the second type you can always use the analogy of socialists = feminist

    they always say "those arnt feminists" who are doing those evil things

    well ok then. at what point do you distance yourself from feminism???

    i mean lets place you in 1920 germany.

    socialist party is doing amazing things.

    YOU are a socialist!!! AND PROUD

    ... at what point do you distance yourself from the party?

    nuf said
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