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    What's With All the Skinny Models?

    It's not often I agree with feminists, but I just can't wrap my head around the fashion industry and the tall, skinny, leggy models. Seriously not a mammary or decent size behind in sight.
    If you look to porn, the desired female body type seems to be relatively curvy/busty, nothing that could be considered overweight as most of it is proportioned into the breast and behind.

    So where is the fashion industry getting this "ideal" from? It seems pretty clear that the majority of men prefer curvy women. Not the feminist definition of curvy, curves need to actually be present and defined into something that resembles the female form. Yet feminists are always complaining about this idealized model body type that is so "impossible" to live up to. It's really not that impossible to starve yourself until no man finds you attractive, the real trick is growing a large natural pair of breasts and a nice cushiony bum.

    So I guess feminists with no assets still have a reason to complain, but they are complaining about entirely the wrong body. If you don't have decent assets to begin with it won't make much difference if you are a size 2 or a size 12, and if you do have good assets no man would want you to diet and reduce the curves unless you are actually overweight.

    It really baffles me that the fashion industry can still get away with this and make any money, all women would have to do is log on to a porn site for 5 minutes to see that most men don't want the emaciated model body. Seems like there are skinny models and the occasional whale they roll out to try and appeal to the other whales, but very lacking in between where the majority of healthy weight women are.
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    at this point
    they are starting to get the fat shaming into modelling.

    however.... there are model unions and they control a lot...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mik1 View Post
    It's not often I agree with feminists, but I just can't wrap my head around the fashion industry and the tall, skinny, leggy models. Seriously not a mammary or decent size behind in sight.
    If you look to porn, the desired female body type seems to be relatively curvy/busty, nothing that could be considered overweight as most of it is proportioned into the breast and behind.
    It's not about what straight men desire.

    The things that make women attractive to straight men turn gay men off.

    And gay men run fashion.

    Quote Originally Posted by mik1 View Post
    So where is the fashion industry getting this "ideal" from? It seems pretty clear that the majority of men prefer curvy women. Not the feminist definition of curvy, curves need to actually be present and defined into something that resembles the female form. Yet feminists are always complaining about this idealized model body type that is so "impossible" to live up to. It's really not that impossible to starve yourself until no man finds you attractive, the real trick is growing a large natural pair of breasts and a nice cushiony bum.
    The ideal comes from what gay males want out of a female form. Which is NONE of the things straight males want out of it.

    That's why the majority of models look androgynous and prepubescent. Neither of these traits are highly valued by straight males.

    Both are often sought after and celebrated in gay male circles and communities.

    Quote Originally Posted by mik1 View Post
    It really baffles me that the fashion industry can still get away with this and make any money, all women would have to do is log on to a porn site for 5 minutes to see that most men don't want the emaciated model body. Seems like there are skinny models and the occasional whale they roll out to try and appeal to the other whales, but very lacking in between where the majority of healthy weight women are.
    Gay men run fashion. They promote their preferred 'gay' female body ideal to straight women.

    Most women are naturally collectivist. Most have a herd mentality. They often follow each other like sheep. (That's why feminism works so effectively on so many of them). They are hard-wired to deeply value the acceptance of their peers. And to seek external peer group validation. And so they start to compete with other women to jump and touch an invisible bar some gay dude who's into 'twinks' put up for them.

    This leads to anorexia and other disorders.

    Which feminists then like to blame on straight males.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxx View Post
    It's not about what straight men desire.

    The things that make women attractive to straight men turn gay men off.

    And gay men run fashion.



    The ideal comes from what gay males want out of a female form. Which is NONE of the things straight males want out of it.

    That's why the majority of models look androgynous and prepubescent. Neither of these traits are highly valued by straight males.

    Both are often sought after and celebrated in gay male circles and communities.



    Gay men run fashion. They promote their preferred 'gay' female body ideal to straight women.

    Most women are naturally collectivist. Most have a herd mentality. They often follow each other like sheep. (That's why feminism works so effectively on so many of them). They are hard-wired to deeply value the acceptance of their peers. And to seek external peer group validation. And so they start to compete with other women to jump and touch an invisible bar some gay dude who's into 'twinks' put up for them.

    This leads to anorexia and other disorders.

    Which feminists then like to blame on straight males.
    Alright, but it takes a consumer and a producer to bring about an economic agreement. Women presumably buy into fashion to be more attractive, straight men as you say are not attracted to a gay man's ideal. So why would women want to idealize a gay man's ideal body type when they could instead choose to be more attractive to straight men? Either women are just that naive for buying into this or there is some sort of other benefit that I am not seeing.

    In other words, just because gay men want to sell something to straight women doesn't mean they can force them to buy. They need to give these women some incentive to buy what they are peddling.
    Surely the head "sheep" must have seen some benefit that would merit all the other sheep falling line? How many sheep need to walk into the wolf's open jaws before one of the sheep leads them in a better direction? Feminism benefits the hell out of women, the fashion industry doesn't appear to be providing as many perks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mik1 View Post
    It's not often I agree with feminists, but I just can't wrap my head around the fashion industry and the tall, skinny, leggy models. Seriously not a mammary or decent size behind in sight.
    If you look to porn, the desired female body type seems to be relatively curvy/busty, nothing that could be considered overweight as most of it is proportioned into the breast and behind.
    There is no "the Porn" anymore. Porn selection is as diverse as in any decent supermarket. There is no "porn body type".

    So where is the fashion industry getting this "ideal" from?
    Apart from what Maxx said, there is the technical aspect of the fall of fabrics. Best seen on clothe hangers, ergo ...

    It seems pretty clear that the majority of men prefer curvy women.
    Yes, but while women are the buyers of fashion, men are not the buyers of woman under a simmilar business model.

    the female form.
    Is that a thing? I thought evey individual was non-standard.

    Yet feminists are always complaining about this idealized model body type that is so "impossible" to live up to. It's really not that impossible to starve yourself until no man finds you attractive, the real trick is growing a large natural pair of breasts and a nice cushiony bum.
    Neither is impossible, but both require hard work. And that is an insult to the modern woman. It should be effortless, all else is oppression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mik1 View Post
    Alright, but it takes a consumer and a producer to bring about an economic agreement. Women presumably buy into fashion to be more attractive, straight men as you say are not attracted to a gay man's ideal. So why would women want to idealize a gay man's ideal body type when they could instead choose to be more attractive to straight men?
    Do you know many women who accept a man's verdict on anything? Anything at all?
    No, elevated to the face of the industry - Vogue covers - are the women the MSS tells all the world are all the world's "most beautiful women".

    Either women are just that naive for buying into this or there is some sort of other benefit that I am not seeing.
    Umh ... this is a tricky subject ... women are that naïve.

    In other words, just because gay men want to sell something to straight women doesn't mean they can force them to buy. They need to give these women some incentive to buy what they are peddling.
    Supermodels.

    Surely the head "sheep" must have seen some benefit that would merit all the other sheep falling line? How many sheep need to walk into the wolf's open jaws before one of the sheep leads them in a better direction? Feminism benefits the hell out of women, the fashion industry doesn't appear to be providing as many perks.
    These events are precisely as rational as feminism itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manalysis View Post
    Umh ... this is a tricky subject ... women are that naïve.
    To elaborate ... modern girls complain about the beauty tyranny.
    Where do they meet this tyranny? In fashion magazines.
    Who forces them to buy these magazines? No one.
    Who forces them to believe these magazines? No one.

    Old 68'ers, hippies, punks and other rads would have laughed their asses off if someone said "I have to be thin because it says in Cosmo".

    Women, it seems work hard - work their asses off, that's why they're gone - to foster the image that they are mindless herd animals,
    gladly following Lemmonce over any and all cliffs to their own downfall.

    I've never beeen sure that they had any alternantive, but it's still a sorry sight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mik1 View Post
    Alright, but it takes a consumer and a producer to bring about an economic agreement. Women presumably buy into fashion to be more attractive, straight men as you say are not attracted to a gay man's ideal. So why would women want to idealize a gay man's ideal body type when they could instead choose to be more attractive to straight men? Either women are just that naive for buying into this or there is some sort of other benefit that I am not seeing.
    Firstly they don't buy into fashion to be more 'attractive to straight men'. They buy into fashion because it plays to their insecurities. And offers them the prospect of validation and elevated status through deference to various 'brands'.

    Women don't generally (if they aren't strippers, hookers or promo girls) aspire to be attractive to the majority of males and they especially don't aspire to be SEXUALLY attractive to the majority of males.

    Women aspire to be ROMANTICALLY appealing to a minority of selected males. The 'Mr Rights'.

    Hired guns, hookers, strippers promo girls aspire to be SEXUALLY appealing to a MAJORITY of males because their ability to generate material capital depends on their ability to maximize their sexual and reproductive capital.

    For ordinary women their ability to secure capital comes via marriage. And marriage happens after they have woman has maximized her ROMANTIC appeal to a carefully selected male target.

    Quote Originally Posted by mik1 View Post
    In other words, just because gay men want to sell something to straight women doesn't mean they can force them to buy. They need to give these women some incentive to buy what they are peddling.
    Surely the head "sheep" must have seen some benefit that would merit all the other sheep falling line? How many sheep need to walk into the wolf's open jaws before one of the sheep leads them in a better direction? Feminism benefits the hell out of women, the fashion industry doesn't appear to be providing as many perks.
    The incentive fashion offers women is the promise of elevated status in the eyes of peers (other women).

    This is something women crave to an extent few males can even begin to comprehend.
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    I'll echo a bit of what Maxx said. Fashion is run by gay men and women. Straight men have nothing to do with it. Why do women buy into it? Not my problem.

    I think the only change that needs to be made is straight men need to get our spines back and state this fact plainly to anyone who tries to get us to feel responsible for that hot mess. We simply have nothing to do with it, and we need to stop being so defensive when being accused of having "impossible beauty standards". If anything men error on the side of having no standards at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mik1 View Post
    It's not often I agree with feminists, but I just can't wrap my head around the fashion industry and the tall, skinny, leggy models. Seriously not a mammary or decent size behind in sight.
    If you look to porn, the desired female body type seems to be relatively curvy/busty, nothing that could be considered overweight as most of it is proportioned into the breast and behind.

    So where is the fashion industry getting this "ideal" from? It seems pretty clear that the majority of men prefer curvy women. Not the feminist definition of curvy, curves need to actually be present and defined into something that resembles the female form. Yet feminists are always complaining about this idealized model body type that is so "impossible" to live up to. It's really not that impossible to starve yourself until no man finds you attractive, the real trick is growing a large natural pair of breasts and a nice cushiony bum.

    So I guess feminists with no assets still have a reason to complain, but they are complaining about entirely the wrong body. If you don't have decent assets to begin with it won't make much difference if you are a size 2 or a size 12, and if you do have good assets no man would want you to diet and reduce the curves unless you are actually overweight.

    It really baffles me that the fashion industry can still get away with this and make any money, all women would have to do is log on to a porn site for 5 minutes to see that most men don't want the emaciated model body. Seems like there are skinny models and the occasional whale they roll out to try and appeal to the other whales, but very lacking in between where the majority of healthy weight women are.


    It works for me. I love thin, skinny, lithe, waifish, semi-androgynous women. And I always have for as long as I can remember. I can appreciate all sorts of women of many different body styles and proportions, but the ones that always get me rock hard and looking for a nearby shady spot are the lanky, wiry, diaphanous women. It's not a "young" thing, age doesn't seem to matter that much to me-- they can be 40 and look like that and they'll get me going. I don't care if they have boobs or not, it's fine if they do, don't mind if they don't.
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