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    People are different. If it makes a man's soul ache to pay for it, then it's pretty simple: don't do it. But if you don't give a fuck, then why not? I look back and laugh at it all. Who gives a shit? There is one caveat though: it can be addictive; there's definitely a thrill leading up to the surprise behind the door, a rush if you will.

    Time flies, 50 sneaks up on your real fast, and your libido may drop off a cliff, so I say rack 'em up any which way you can while you're a young horndog. I can't believe I was so horny at the time; these days all it takes to make me happy is a good meal followed by a restful nap, ha ha!
    Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dubs View Post
    Sex can be approximated with porn, lube and a box of tissues.

    It's about as meaningful as the girls dancing on vibrating platforms.
    Exactly. As is often said, sex is mostly mental. It's not just about her body, but about the genuine caring and trust that you share. Without that, it's kind of disgusting.

    "When the right girl comes along, you'll know it."
    We would hope. But how many men thought they knew they had the right girl, only to find their lives ruined? I get what you're saying, but I want to point out to any newcomers that a lot of rational work needs to be invested. The reason we're here is because too often we find ourselves pitted against a person, a biology, and a society that aims to subvert our rationality with little regard for what it costs us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dubs View Post
    It's not the hiring of prostitutes that bothers me, it's just...argh.

    I can't put my finger on it.

    Men should develop contempt for anything women can offer sexually.

    What's she gonna do? Just lay there like a sack of shit.

    While you find a hole and fuck it.

    And for that you consider that she "provided" something to you?

    Jesus fucking christ, can the bar get any lower.

    The straw that broke the camel's back for me was recently.

    I was watching a video about bar girls in Thailand.

    And they had this girl on a platform, next to a pole.

    And she was shaking her ass.

    But wait, she wasn't.

    She was standing on a vibrating thing on the floor, and vibrated her body to make her ass go BLUB BLUB like jello.

    So these hoes

    They don't even have to learn to move sexy, they don't even have to learn to twerk or anything.

    Just stand on a vibrating thing, that some MAN, some low-paid guy in Thailand, built.

    While she just stands there like a sack of shit, with her ass going BLUB BLUB.

    And a bunch of foreign chodes, who already allowed their own country to get ruined in the name of women, now spend hundreds of dollars to get on an airplane, just to see this sack of shit standing on a vibrating platform.

    This drives me crazy.

    No this drives me into a homicidal rage.

    The level of fem worship.

    It's one thing to worship women and put them on pedestals when they actually make an EFFORT.

    When she actually bothers to conceal her chimpanzee brain and pretends to be a chaste woman of good character.

    Where she learns to dance and seduce you and spends time looking nice for you, picking out a nice outfit.

    Like a Geisha or old-timey courtesan.

    But now they just recruit these pigs out of a local village.

    And put them on a vibrating platform.

    For western simps to spend hundreds of dollars on a plane ticket.

    To come and pay them a few bucks for being on a vibrating thing.

    It's humiliating.

    Not for her, for the men.

    And for the record, no.

    Sex isn't the only valuable thing a woman can do for you.

    You can just wank and satisfy that "need."

    Unless sex provides something other than skin friction. Or access to a hole that you can create with your own hand.

    Like intimacy, the feel of another human being, etc. More of a romantic mindset than one of satisfying "physical need."

    Then I'd say, yeah, women are capable of providing something valuable.

    The human factor. The girlfriend experience. Etc.

    They can also bear children, and this I consider really the only thing men "need" from women.

    And the only civilizing influence on them.

    A woman without children is just a subhuman primate.

    Only when she becomes a mother, devotes herself to childcare.

    Only THEN she learns compassion, love (not for you, for the child) and becomes something you can honor.

    Birthrate is demographics, birthrate is politics, birthrate is nations and empires.

    Birthrate is business.

    It's the only valuable thing women can offer.

    Sex can be approximated with porn, lube and a box of tissues.

    It's about as meaningful as the girls dancing on vibrating platforms.

    You actually hit on something meaningful.

    "When the right girl comes along, you'll know it."

    Yep, building a family, having kids.

    It's really the only worthwhile thing you can do with a woman.

    Otherwise she's a waste of skin, a waste of oxygen.

    And the men are too.

    Don't take this as an anti-prostitution diatribe.

    Take it as a....a diatribe.


    All of that is true about the intimacy of a woman. No doubt about it.

    However, that said, sometimes you just want to fuck. It's a whole different thing. It's not that you just want to do it and get it over with or else you'd just sit there and rub one out. But rather you just want to fucking rut in a totally selfish way. Doesn't mean you have to be a dick about it. But it isn't personal, no matter how it looks. Even if you know her and like her in any/every other context. It isn't about her, it's about you-- using her body. And if she's any good at it, she knows how to help without breaking through that "zone" you're in. It's a whole different thing from "making love" or having sex *with* a woman, it's more like you want to have sex *to* a woman. I have a hard time doing that without paying for it. If I wasn't, I'd feel obligated to "be" with her and engage with her mentally, because I'm not an asshole. If you pay for it though, it's all about what *I* want, how *I* want it-- it's a totally selfish indulgence using her body you've just rented. And hopefully she understands how that works and knows how to "be" what you need in that moment. I've only ever been with one-- possibly two-- women that I could do that / get into that place in my head with, without paying. The one was every bit as "selfish" about it as I was-- just getting together for raw fucking. We liked each other fine, but it was just about the sex. The other one was similar but more complicated. I've had my share of girlfriends over the years, but most of them have been the "making love" types-- and not the type who can just give it over as a gift. And of course it's a little goshe to try to engage them like that if they don't have the inclination and/or don't know how.

    I guess it's a little awkward to describe what I'm talking about. I've only met a very few women who seem to understand what I'm saying who aren't in the business, and only a few guys who would admit it. Either I'm completely different or they were too gynocentric to understand/admit that they have those selfish / "me"-centered needs too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldblueeyes View Post
    People are different. If it makes a man's soul ache to pay for it, then it's pretty simple: don't do it. But if you don't give a fuck, then why not? I look back and laugh at it all. Who gives a shit? There is one caveat though: it can be addictive; there's definitely a thrill leading up to the surprise behind the door, a rush if you will.

    Time flies, 50 sneaks up on your real fast, and your libido may drop off a cliff, so I say rack 'em up any which way you can while you're a young horndog. I can't believe I was so horny at the time; these days all it takes to make me happy is a good meal followed by a restful nap, ha ha!

    I heard that, and I completely agree with your entire message. Young men think they're immortal. Rack 'em up while you can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dubs View Post
    It's embarassing, what are you doing, don't you know who you are? Don't you know what you're worth? She should be paying you.
    confidence, intelligence, humour
    not always in that order
    when ovulating also add biceps, and looks ... then randomize

    anyway, the first three you have some control over, the other 2 perhaps less so but, also some control over
    get busy.

    my read on Ibn.AL.Muqafaa's truth/dare...is she may well be thinking of um, kissing you (but who actually knows?) ... but I reckon she thinks the other guys are dicks

    confidence...?
    when its yr turn...
    You, the pretty one... Truth or Dare?
    Dare?
    I dare you to kiss me ... :-)
    no, I couldnt possibly.
    Ok, I dare to go out for dinner with me.


    Quote Originally Posted by dubs View Post
    But anyway, yeah I understand.

    Sometimes for practical reasons its better to "rent."

    You don't pay hooker for sex, the sex is free, you pay hooker to LEAVE.
    That is wickedly funny
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibn.AL.Muqafaa View Post
    - I feel extreme envy of couples being cute/affectionate.
    Another thing: those cute/affectionate couples don't last forever; some don't last long at all. There's no way to win in relationshits. If you're a guy who's got the world going for him, all a woman wants to do is lock you down with marriage and kids and then you end up miserable and married to some fat (most of them go fat), demanding bitch who will probably end up cheating on you. On the other hand, if you're a guy who doesn't have much going for him, you "fall in love" with the first fat, neck-tattooed slut who sucks your cock and then you end up miserable and married to some fat, demanding bitch who will probably end up cheating on you. Either way you end up miserable and married to some fat, demanding bitch who will probably end up cheating on you, ha ha!

    Sure, a small proportion of people remain happy in long relationships, but they are very few.

    I know at least a dozen bachelors from age 50 to 80+ and they're all happy living alone. The one thing they all have in common is that they've "had enough" of women. One fellow has never been married, doesn't have kids, banked his truck driver salary all his life, retired early, and now travels north and south as the weather dictates, playing golf with his buddies, with not a care in the world! But one guy has been bankrupted by women and can barely manage to keep a roof over his head; don't be this guy!

    Concentrate on improving your education and your salary. Don't ever let a woman financially ruin you. And whatever you do, DON'T become a bankrupt old bachelor!
    Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldblueeyes View Post
    Another thing: those cute/affectionate couples don't last forever; some don't last long at all. There's no way to win in relationshits. If you're a guy who's got the world going for him, all a woman wants to do is lock you down with marriage and kids and then you end up miserable and married to some fat (most of them go fat), demanding bitch who will probably end up cheating on you. On the other hand, if you're a guy who doesn't have much going for him, you "fall in love" with the first fat, neck-tattooed slut who sucks your cock and then you end up miserable and married to some fat, demanding bitch who will probably end up cheating on you. Either way you end up miserable and married to some fat, demanding bitch who will probably end up cheating on you, ha ha!

    Sure, a small proportion of people remain happy in long relationships, but they are very few.

    I know at least a dozen bachelors from age 50 to 80+ and they're all happy living alone. The one thing they all have in common is that they've "had enough" of women. One fellow has never been married, doesn't have kids, banked his truck driver salary all his life, retired early, and now travels north and south as the weather dictates, playing golf with his buddies, with not a care in the world! But one guy has been bankrupted by women and can barely manage to keep a roof over his head; don't be this guy!

    Concentrate on improving your education and your salary. Don't ever let a woman financially ruin you. And whatever you do, DON'T become a bankrupt old bachelor!

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    One thing alot of young guys (and even older guys) have trouble with is codependence.

    Especially when you're finally getting laid regularly, maybe she's cooking and feeding you, it's hard to then reclaim your independence and assert some space.

    Relationships have a tendency to take over your life, to the point where she's even buying your clothes and telling you what shoes to wear.

    You lose all of your friends, her friends become "our" friends, you now have a "Mike & Sherry" joint e-mail and facebook account.

    If she suddenly breaks up with you, you find yourself friendless with no support, she threw away your favorite clothes, none of the furniture is stuff you liked, you have to re-learn how to cook and do your own laundry and take care of yourself.

    It's a painful and lonely road, and even worse, sometimes you might feel like a "loser" having to go places by yourself.

    Like I remember feeling self-conscious going to a diner and eating a meal by myself.

    Much less going on vacation to enjoy a beach or a cruise, all the prices are based on "double occupancy."

    It took me a long time to feel ok being alone, and an even longer time to learn to have relationships without totally giving away my own identity.

    To keep my own friends, my own clothes, and at least some of the furniture, to feel ok to come home and cook for myself if she was doing something else.

    In other words to be in a relationship without being codependent.

    To be in a marriage without thinking, "If the marriage ends, so will my life."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dubs View Post
    One thing alot of young guys (and even older guys) have trouble with is codependence.

    Especially when you're finally getting laid regularly, maybe she's cooking and feeding you, it's hard to then reclaim your independence and assert some space.

    Relationships have a tendency to take over your life, to the point where she's even buying your clothes and telling you what shoes to wear.

    You lose all of your friends, her friends become "our" friends, you now have a "Mike & Sherry" joint e-mail and facebook account.

    If she suddenly breaks up with you, you find yourself friendless with no support, she threw away your favorite clothes, none of the furniture is stuff you liked, you have to re-learn how to cook and do your own laundry and take care of yourself.

    It's a painful and lonely road, and even worse, sometimes you might feel like a "loser" having to go places by yourself.

    Like I remember feeling self-conscious going to a diner and eating a meal by myself.

    Much less going on vacation to enjoy a beach or a cruise, all the prices are based on "double occupancy."

    It took me a long time to feel ok being alone, and an even longer time to learn to have relationships without totally giving away my own identity.

    To keep my own friends, my own clothes, and at least some of the furniture, to feel ok to come home and cook for myself if she was doing something else.

    In other words to be in a relationship without being codependent.

    To be in a marriage without thinking, "If the marriage ends, so will my life."

    My wife and I live a fairly "egalitarian" existence. We don't have any joint accounts, and we each contribute about equally to the running of things, payment of things, and taking care of our kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_e View Post
    My wife and I live a fairly "egalitarian" existence. We don't have any joint accounts, and we each contribute about equally to the running of things, payment of things, and taking care of our kids.
    I'm sure she doesn't like it.

    But that's the key.

    Rather than you trying to "hold on" to her.

    She should be wanting to get closer to you and YOU keep her at arms distance.

    You attract her not by focusing ON her.

    But by focusing on yourself and slaying dragons.

    By being "successful" in whatever ways you define that.

    You be your own man -> she gets attracted to that -> you dictate how close she's allowed to get to your heart

    What you DON'T do is lose your identity and give your entire heart away, at least not in the beginning.

    She needs to earn that, in bits and pieces, over decades.

    Maybe when you're 60, she'll get the privilege to know everything about you, your heart and soul, your dreams, etc.

    But you don't do that on the first day.

    You don't do that on your honeymoon.

    The slower she gets to know you, the LONGER she'll get to know you, the more she's forced to invest in you and give away parts of HER.

    That's if she's even worth having in the first place.

    You want to cherry pick women and only accept the best.

    Being with you is not "free."

    There's an entrance fee.

    Like that amusement park says : You must be at least this tall to get on this ride.

    And if you get a divorce so be it.

    Pull out your checkbook like "Our business is concluded. I'll expect to see my children in good care and you'll be sorry if I don't. Now fuck off and don't come back."

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