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    Intellectual "virtues" vs. Intellectual "vices"

    These are the new words being talked about at my firm, today. I decided to look it up for more detail. An intellectual virtue along with other perceived virtues, such as open mindedness, humility, courage and integrity contrast with intellectual "vices" such as pride and arrogance. So what is intellectual arrogance? Apparently, it is a set of traits that blind a reasonably intelligent person to the truth or reality of a situation. Experiences and opinions are often submitted by an intellectually arrogant person as "objective truth."

    So, what do you think about this? Can a person be a good person in general but intellectually arrogant? Can a person be ruthless yet intellectually humble?

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    These are the new words being talked about at my firm, today. I decided to look it up for more detail. An intellectual virtue along with other perceived virtues, such as open mindedness, humility, courage and integrity contrast with intellectual "vices" such as pride and arrogance. So what is intellectual arrogance? Apparently, it is a set of traits that blind a reasonably intelligent person to the truth or reality of a situation. Experiences and opinions are often submitted by an intellectually arrogant person as "objective truth."

    So, what do you think about this? Can a person be a good person in general but intellectually arrogant? Can a person be ruthless yet intellectually humble?
    Yes, and OHHHHHHH yes, respectively.

    The former: I know quite a few good-natured, well-meaning people who feel they're right and every other person on the planet is wrong. Just because they're fatigued by fighting an overwhelming majority, doesn't mean they won't sound off when someone presses their hot-button topic.

    The latter: I'm somewhat in this camp myself. I wouldn't class myself as utterly ruthless but I can tease out more, and more, and more details when a person is spouting a position I fundamentally disagree with, looking for some possible fact or assertion that would expose a chink in the armour of my own position, without ever giving away my fundamental loathing for his own - whatever that may be. I use this when talking to Feminists, usually prefacing with the phrase, "Well I meet a lot of feminists PLUS antifeminists, and the latter usually say that..." , and to this day I don't believe any of them have seen through the façade. Though...not sure if that SHOULD be called 'intellectual humility', more like 'Gathering intellectual wealth through stealth"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deidre View Post
    So what is intellectual arrogance? Apparently, it is a set of traits that blind a reasonably intelligent person to the truth or reality of a situation.
    Well, that sort of arrogance would likely stem from the premise that the normal ranges of human thought and feeling need pathologising.

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    Experiences and opinions are often submitted by an intellectually arrogant person as "objective truth."
    Post-Modernism ... is cancer

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    Can a person be ruthless yet intellectually humble?
    One way to reconcile things might be to resolve the inner and outer conflict.
    Id suggest punching them in the face.

    Let the antagonistic wankers enjoy their gestalt moment.

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    The problem, is that 'talk' such as your office farce, is inherently violent ...as usual, as with feminism, as with all the conformist bullshit, theyre just pretending it isnt.
    It seeks to control, to limit, to censure, and to silence.
    Ask Foucault
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    I tend to classify things a little differently; in this case, for example, I would distinguish between "Intelligence" and "Wisdom."

    To wit, "Intelligence is knowing that a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deidre View Post
    Can a person be a good person in general but intellectually arrogant?
    Can a person struggle with alcohol, narcotics or gambling and still be a good person?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mifune View Post
    Can a person struggle with alcohol, narcotics or gambling and still be a good person?
    Of course...addictions aren't products of our intellect, though? Sorry, not sure I'm following you, here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaybee View Post
    Yes, and OHHHHHHH yes, respectively.

    The former: I know quite a few good-natured, well-meaning people who feel they're right and every other person on the planet is wrong. Just because they're fatigued by fighting an overwhelming majority, doesn't mean they won't sound off when someone presses their hot-button topic.

    The latter: I'm somewhat in this camp myself. I wouldn't class myself as utterly ruthless but I can tease out more, and more, and more details when a person is spouting a position I fundamentally disagree with, looking for some possible fact or assertion that would expose a chink in the armour of my own position, without ever giving away my fundamental loathing for his own - whatever that may be. I use this when talking to Feminists, usually prefacing with the phrase, "Well I meet a lot of feminists PLUS antifeminists, and the latter usually say that..." , and to this day I don't believe any of them have seen through the façade. Though...not sure if that SHOULD be called 'intellectual humility', more like 'Gathering intellectual wealth through stealth"

    LOL I like your explanation, here. Would you say you're open minded and truly listen to other's views, in general? (ones that disagree with your own)

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    Well, that sort of arrogance would likely stem from the premise that the normal ranges of human thought and feeling need pathologising.



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    One way to reconcile things might be to resolve the inner and outer conflict.
    Id suggest punching them in the face.

    Let the antagonistic wankers enjoy their gestalt moment.

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    The problem, is that 'talk' such as your office farce, is inherently violent ...as usual, as with feminism, as with all the conformist bullshit, theyre just pretending it isnt.
    It seeks to control, to limit, to censure, and to silence.
    Ask Foucault
    Inherently violent. I need to tell one of the senior partners this. lol He is the ''thinker'' of the firm...see, my firm ''sells'' concepts and ideas to companies, and as intangibles tend to go, concepts and ideas are often subjective. I think what might be arrogant to you, might not be to me...and vice versa. I tend to find people intellectually arrogant who put words in others' mouths and then expect a debate over them. lol

    I like your point about feminism, and how many feminists believe they aren't conforming, but they totally are. Good insight!

    Quote Originally Posted by StrongSilentType View Post
    I tend to classify things a little differently; in this case, for example, I would distinguish between "Intelligence" and "Wisdom."

    To wit, "Intelligence is knowing that a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad."
    So, intelligence is learned, but wisdom can't be learned, can it? How does one grow to be wise, do you think? Do you think that those who are wise, are automatically intellectually humble? Wisdom and humility seem to go hand in hand, imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deidre View Post
    So, intelligence is learned, but wisdom can't be learned, can it? How does one grow to be wise, do you think? Do you think that those who are wise, are automatically intellectually humble? Wisdom and humility seem to go hand in hand, imo.

    Since intellect without humility seems like arrogance but with like wisdom, a mask of humility is wise to the intellect unwisely concerned with appearance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deidre View Post
    So, intelligence is learned, but wisdom can't be learned, can it? How does one grow to be wise, do you think? Do you think that those who are wise, are automatically intellectually humble? Wisdom and humility seem to go hand in hand, imo.
    No, wisdom can be learned; I'm not sure that it can be taught

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deidre View Post
    These are the new words being talked about at my firm, today. I decided to look it up for more detail. An intellectual virtue along with other perceived virtues, such as open mindedness, humility, courage and integrity contrast with intellectual "vices" such as pride and arrogance. So what is intellectual arrogance? Apparently, it is a set of traits that blind a reasonably intelligent person to the truth or reality of a situation. Experiences and opinions are often submitted by an intellectually arrogant person as "objective truth."

    So, what do you think about this? Can a person be a good person in general but intellectually arrogant? Can a person be ruthless yet intellectually humble?

    I reckon all of this depends upon whether you can have a version of the "intellectual truth" which is different from theirs. Otherwise, it's simply another form of thought control.
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