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    As most of you know who have observed my posts, I'm not a religious man. That said, Steve Harvey nails it on the head for me. Replace faith in god with preparing yourself for The Ninth Wave:

    The coming of Arthur by Lord Alfred Tennyson (1809-1892)

    . . . And then the two Dropt to the cove,
    and watched the great sea fall,
    Wave after wave,
    each mightier than the last,
    Till last, a ninth one,
    gathering half the deep And full of voices,
    slowly rose and plunged Roaring,
    and all the wave was in a flame: . . .
    The ninth wave in my rendering is the metaphor for the window of opportunity for your success. You don't know when it is coming, but when it does you damned well be prepared or it will pass you by.

    As Steve Harvey elucidates with his own metaphor, "you have to jump." You have to take the risk and at each failure, "Jump" again until that Parachute opens. If you don't jump it is nay.

    For those of faith, it is a trust in your god, for those not of faith it is trust in yourself.

    For me, it is relevant and served me well when I had nothing to do but prepare for my ninth wave, and to jump when all my instincts told me not to and to ride my Ninth Wave when it arrives. "To use your gift."



    Just out of high school I hung out with a group of friends, one of which use to go house to house in his old beat up pick-up and offer to clean pools. We all thought this friend was nuts, but over 35 years later he owns a multi-million dollar statewide business.

    Another friend lost everything and ended up in an Oxford House for alcohol addiction. One day without transportation he walks around his neighborhood offering to paint houses. Twenty years later he owns an Oxford House and a multi-million dollar painting business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by menrppl2 View Post
    id rep ya if I could maxx........and good for you.

    a lot of us aren't so smart, so have it together, or so lucky. my story is more of a rollercoaster with a broken track, in a world that's spinning way to fast.

    my ex left me for a bad boy, left him to do internet gangbang porn, but is now hooking up with old and wealthy.

    im good honest man of integrity, with a fully disabling mental condition. after divorce I took a road of heavy sacrifice and high risk, wanting to make sure my daughter and myself could survive if fully disabled. with the ex marrying rich, im now free to spend my nestegg. strangely in the same month my buddy told me he was getting a pool villa in Thailand, my other out of town buddy has separated, who has a waterfront home in my town, with a cabin literally for me on it.

    I cant say im the architect of my life, in the end id say my strength was being a nice guy. ya you take your hits, but nice ppl like nice guys, and they treat ya nicely.go figure. that and dumb stupid luck.

    but what im saying is, being smart having it together and doing everything right and having it work out may be possible. But the men I know, deserve a little more consideration, respect and compassion than that..........we just aint all perfect and rolling sevens and that's a pretty high bar.

    despite being diagnosed as disabled and having had a number of nervous breakdowns I was hospitalized for, and despite having no criminal record or history of violence. The family courts decided to consider me dangerously abusive and underemployed.

    I don't find that a coincidence.
    That's some heavy shit. All I can say is that I feel for ya and I'm glad it sounds like it's now a little better than it once was.

    And you are absolutely right about how these systems are designed to kick men hardest whenever we are already down. It's because they are based on a fundamental misunderstanding of how being a man actually works at all.

    All of our SYMPTOMS are basically misdiagnosed as separate pathologies.

    Because ultimately it's 'being a man' that's the ultimate pathology that most of these systems and ideologies zero in on.

    Quote Originally Posted by menrppl2 View Post
    I recommend mgtow and if I had a son, I would take him out of the western feminist socialist sphere.
    Have you considered if you have a son that is not as blessed and lucky as you..........that's a lot of sevens to keep rolling.
    I honestly find myself thinking about all this more and more and worrying about it more and more as I get older. You can't protect your kid from the world. And the more you try the more you are going to get labeled as someone your kids need to be protected FROM by exactly the kinda people who's ideologies are gonna fuck them up the worst.

    And all this applies ten fold when it comes to sons. Especially when you factor in the male tendency to rebel against male authority anyway that feminist ideology so acutely exploits.

    It used to be that a guy at 18 thinks his father is an idiot while that same guy by the time he's 30 realizes his old man was right about more things than he was wrong. But these days it doesn't work that way at all.

    Guys NEVER get wise. They NEVER realize that daddy knew best all along. And they keep walking into minefields.

    That create cycle after cycle of chaos all while never getting wise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by menrppl2 View Post
    Have you considered if you have a son that is not as blessed and lucky as you..........that's a lot of sevens to keep rolling.
    This got me thinking about my friend's kid brother. The boy is in his early 20s. He was a straight A student who had a high school sweetheart he broke up with when he went to college.

    He's since dropped outta college and moved in with his new girlfriend and her single mom. He's working a bullshit sales job with zero long term prospects and is presently supporting BOTH this bitch girlfriend AND her single mom...neither of which work at all.

    And living with the pair of them in a shitty little house.

    These two parasitic bitches have gotta be pinching themselves struggling to believe a schmuck like him has showed up to take care of the pair of them!

    This whole thing has so obviously got 'bad idea' written all over it and it's fucking OBVIOUS to everyone accept the kid himself.

    His parents are freaking out. My buddy who is the big bro is having to take flights out to see the kid and try to talk him outta throwing his entire life away.

    But he's not listening to anyone and seems determined to basically ruin his whole life.

    I dunno what else anyone can say or do about this situation or other situations like it. Some people just have a death wish I guess.

    I think the 'old skool' attitude used to be that you let a young man make his own mistakes in life, but today that shit simply doesn't cut it. Because there's some mistakes and bad choices that as a boy/man you can basically never come back from. They put you on death row before you even know what's hit you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxx View Post
    attitude used to be that you let a young man make his own mistakes in life, but today that shit simply doesn't cut it. Because there's some mistakes and bad choices that as a boy/man you can basically never come back from. They put you on death row before you even know what's hit you.
    The western feminist socialist sphere does not seem conducive to males being men in relationships, or a man getting ahead, or treating men fairly, or as ppl.
    there are some male positive places left.

    I suppose in the ole days if our environment turned to shit, we would go find something better.

    things have been good for me, for years now, mgtow was a good idea for me.......fuck I retired at 40, now it looks like im gonna do it in style at 50! otherwise, everyone has there crosses to bear. I suppose that's why I find the cross of your own govt/courts/society hating on you and being unjust, so inexcusable.

    but looks like your journey is love..................I'm secretly jealous, don't tell anyone.........enjoy, all the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxx View Post
    Speaking with regards to my personal situation. I presently have a girlfriend living with me. She pays rent to live at my property. And is my legally registered tenant.

    The rent prices she pays are towards the lower end of market price for the region. It's a good deal for her but it's not a free lunch. She is actively involved in several of my ventures in addition to her day job...a day job which gives me access to opportunities and a client base I might not otherwise have.

    She makes and saves me money through providing her knowledge, labor and expertise on several fronts most notably taxation and legal.

    Now there's technically nothing to stop her from turning around calling the cops and telling them that I raped her or whatever. I realize that that option is on the table for her. But in general it wouldn't be a smart move. I realize the law gives her numerous ways in which to throw a hand grenade at me and destroy me.

    But it's not really worth her while to do so. She'd be destroying much of her own efforts and hard work in the process too. And moreover using the government to cut me in the half would not be in her best interests.

    If for whatever reason our relationship broke down in the future she'd be much better off financially coming to terms with me personally and privately than she would be getting the government to strong arm me on her behalf.

    Again I realize that that might not always be the case. And that such a set up might not seem possible or viable for a lot of dudes. And what the fuck do I know it could all blow up in my face tomorrow like it does for ever other fucker who thinks he's gaming the system and has something figured that the other fella doesn't.

    But I do know this. I dated a lot of women. I gave many of them the opportunity to get on board with where I was at, who I was who I wanted to be and where I wanted to go in life. And they didn't take the opportunities I offered them, so I filed them in a box marked 'play things' and I cleaned that box out on a regular basis.

    I know for a fact that most guys don't operate like this. And many of them pay dearly for this.

    A good buddy of mine has parents in their 50s/60s they ran a business together for several decades and build it from the bottom up and then later in their 50s/60s got divorced.

    The kids where already adults by this time. The mother didn't throw a hand grenade at everything that they build together just because the relationship ended. They came to terms as adults. Came together to protect their assets from the government.

    The mother remarried. Her second husband is now business partners with my buddies' father. It wasn't easy but then again everyone involved behaved like a fucking adult and they were all far better off (and richer and emotionally healthier) for it.

    The government involvement was minimal.

    The legal costs were minimal. I realize this isn't typical. But I think when two people BUILD something together there's less of that dynamic that you get where the man has all the capital/assets and the woman has all the hysterical hormones and legal muscle to extract that capital via state force.

    When the woman's put her own blood and sweat into building something as well then using the power of the state to destroy it stops being an act of revenge for her and becomes an act of self harm.

    Again that isn't to say a crazy enough woman won't do it. etc etc etc. But it's a fundamentally different animal to a woman whos' never worked a real job in her life has been indulged and paid for and doesn't even understand the daily ass-fucking a man has to endure just to put a hot meal on the table by the time the day's done.

    I think something a lot of people don't talk about in the manosphere is how different divorces play out depending on when they happen in a people's lives. In my personal experience and in terms of everything I've read online in places like this...the WORST divorces (where the dude's seem to get the most fucked) seem to always involve women in their early to mid 30s.

    Where there are young children in the mix.

    Where there is a corporate career he hates that the divorce and alimony and child support effectively locks him into.

    I don't think that's a coincidence.
    At first read of this it puts my back up a little to consider relationships as something of a "business" proposal and less to a "romantic" connection....on some thought I can see that actually most relationships whether they're intimate or casual are a kind of business in weighing gain vs. loss...people don't generally get involved unless there's more gain for them than there is a loss just depends on what values each person is associating. I rather like the point you make of a woman who has never worked a real job in her life and doesn't understand what a man would endure to put that hot meal on the table, I think it highlights the importance that regardless of what values a person might look for and associate there should be some common system between you and your partner of value levels. A woman who is simply offering her vagina might think she has sufficient funds to be supported for her lifetime if there has never been any kind of indication that she should bring more to the table.
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    myself and others have been tripped up by the registered tenant thing.......the court just calls it a relationship, if she does.

    also, every woman in the history of world says, if we were to break up I'd want it amicable........that turns into my lawyer says im entitled to__________.

    women tend to over estimate their contributions to your business, courts will double it.

    my buddies wife pretended to be an equal partner until she accidentaly became pregnant 2 months later. then it became he worked and supported, and did half the housework and parenting......afterall she was a modern woman.........................I gotta say its a pattern ive found very regular.

    all guys think they have it figured out, think they got a good one, myself included.

    shes a good one, im getting rent, she helps me out, she says she'd breakup amicable......just add, and she knows when she has it good, and you are 100% covered, just like every other guy and I was.

    I do wish you luck, and all the best.

    I just don't think a man has it figured out anymore than, a slave had his master tied around his finger, or a jew had staying in Nazi Germany under control
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambiguous View Post
    At first read of this it puts my back up a little to consider relationships as something of a "business" proposal and less to a "romantic" connection....on some thought I can see that actually most relationships whether they're intimate or casual are a kind of business in weighing gain vs. loss...people don't generally get involved unless there's more gain for them than there is a loss just depends on what values each person is associating. I rather like the point you make of a woman who has never worked a real job in her life and doesn't understand what a man would endure to put that hot meal on the table, I think it highlights the importance that regardless of what values a person might look for and associate there should be some common system between you and your partner of value levels. A woman who is simply offering her vagina might think she has sufficient funds to be supported for her lifetime if there has never been any kind of indication that she should bring more to the table.
    Too often people involve themselves in ill-defined relationships. Particularly between men and women where expectations can get nebulous. I think what Maxx has illustrated here is setting boundaries and expectations within his perimeters.

    We often hear about men "communicating" or not communicating properly, myself included in my youth. I allowed my expectations and boundaries to be crossed in the name of going along to get along, or at the severe end, letting myself get angry and passive aggressive because I was not able or willing to take the risk in the relationship. I think this is often the case with many men and it expresses itself in the modern meme of men being the oppressors under the Duluth model of various behaviors.

    In an earlier post, I discussed being put in the friend zone and making that stick with the girl who decided to do that. Young men IMO are often not as confident or centered in their principles to do this and often the second guess themselves when challenged. I think too often we are told we are being unreasonable by the prevailing narrative portrayed by Feminists or women as a whole.

    In my first marriage, we sought counsel, and in short the three counselors we saw portrayed me as the unreasonable person. Back then, even though I had doubts I tried to capitulate and be flexible to no avail. It was almost as if every time I tried the goal posts were moved.

    Once I got past all that and having gone through a divorce, a Light went on. It changed how I view women, relationships and how I approach them.

    At first glance, it would appear I was being a hard ass with high expectations. But it played out in my dating and current marriage. I tolerate little shit, and when it does happen I place personal responsibility where it lies...be it myself or my wife or children. As it turns out, they are happy and I am happy. Funny how that works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambiguous View Post
    At first read of this it puts my back up a little to consider relationships as something of a "business" proposal and less to a "romantic" connection...
    As soon as it's regulated by the government and enforced by the rule of law it ceases to be merely a 'romantic connection' anymore.
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    Whether the government is involved, if you want success in a LTR it needs to be viewed as a business.

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    romance love and trust could easily flourish, in a govt framework of respect and fairness for all.

    it would appear, business is the priority. specifically the business of persecuting men for women for votes.

    if you want romance, get a harlequin.
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