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    Post MGTOW Author here!

    Alright, I think I've found the spot for me. There's not too many people I know who I can talk to about my books, but perhaps here I'll be able to get some feedback. Pretty soon I'll be putting several of my books up for free, including one that I wrote with MGTOW in mind, so don't buy my books; you can get them for free soon enough if you want to give them a look-see.

    Living amongst the Dead
    Zombie survival novel with emphasis on realism and survivalism. Features a feminist character with 3rd-wave feminist views. Main protagonist is a male survivalist.

    When her No means Yes
    Erotica novel, basically, and addresses the issues of rape and rape fetishism and a few other things. It's my least popular book, doesn't really have much in the way of MGTOW content honestly. Unless you enjoy naughty stuff, this probably isn't for you.

    Firearm Valhalla
    Action novelette, a bit post-apocalyptic but with no undead, basically gun porn. For any fellow gun nuts, this one's for you.

    Another One Please, to Dull the Pain
    Drama novella. Bad marriage, the guy has his nuts in a metaphorical vice due to said marriage, the wife knows it, and so the protagonist confides in his bartender friend about his problems at home. For anyone who checks this book out, I'd love to get some feedback in regards to the ending. I've been told by one fellow that it's quite good, and I'm grateful, but he seems to be a fan of my work in general. God love him for it, he's very inspirational to me, but I'd like to hear from others. Also in this book are some potential ways for men to help get themselves out of that situation, or at least lessen just how badly they'll get screwed over in divorce court.

    Living amongst the Dead: Dark Days
    Sequel to my first book. SPOILER ALERT: A new character is introduced, an old friend of Tiffany's, she's a thin but well-toned black woman, early-20s, and I've come to quite like this lesbian; she's pretty damn intense.

    Those are my books thus far, in order of self-publication. My 'promotional' thing will likely happen on April 26th though it's not yet fully confirmed. My first 4 books will be completely for free so I hope lots of people get them to check them out, and the 5th book, meaning the sequel, will have a 'Kindle Countdown' which I understand is basically a discount. I've never used it before, to be honest. Well, I'll be sure to post in this thread again once the promotion starts as well as include links; I'd love to give some of my books out for free to some fellow MGTOW-minded individuals. I uh... I also hope that doing this isn't breaking some sort of rule. On a very cool note however, I've done two promotions already have people have downloaded my books in US, Canada, UK, Denmark, Italy, Australia, and Japan. I've also gotten eReader sales in all of those except Denmark, Italy, and Japan. Awesome stuff, but enough of that. Cheers, and I hope those who end up getting my books will enjoy them! I'll provide links to the Kindle versions of my books once I have that promotional thing kicked off so anyone with eReaders can get them!

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    And I thought I was the only one! Now there are two of us, at least! That's good to hear.

    I want to wish you the best of luck with your books, but also share with you my own experience of writing anti-feminist and MGTOW novels. Prepare yourself for the frustration of finding that selling books is more difficult than writing books. People like us are pioneers in a genre that doesn’t really exist yet, and history teaches us that pioneers often starved to death in the wilderness.

    All of my own fiction and non-fiction writing is anti-establishment (i.e. anti-feminist, anti-multiculturalist, anti-political correctness) and there doesn’t seem to be a market for this yet, especially in regard of novels. My non-fiction doesn’t sell much but it certainly sells significantly better than my fiction.

    I think part of the problem is that many people in the mainstream seem to only read fiction books by famous authors, on the assumption that the famous authors must therefore be the best authors. Unknown authors are, conversely, assumed to be bad writers because they’re not popular and famous. It’s Catch 22 for the unknown author, the only way to sell a lot of books is to have already sold a lot of books. Consequently, the establishment authors have a huge advantage when it comes to fiction. But this doesn’t seem to be as severe a problem for non-fiction.

    I’ve tried to put my novels within potentially commercial genres (as you have with your zombie novels) but that doesn’t necessarily lead to commercial success. To describe them in brief:

    The Most Hated Man is a kind of serial killer novel. Someone is murdering teenagers with a lethal recreational drug called ‘snuff’. At the same time, someone is abducting members of the political and cultural establishment whose corpses are subsequently found dead, terrorizing the ruling elites. The police officers hunting them down are hindered by the constraints of political correctness.

    The Identity Wars: Utopia is Dystopia is set in the year 2035 and is a new type of dystopian fiction where the future depicted arises directly out of the politics of today's contemporary society. It asks the question: What will happen to a feminist-multiculturalist society under the impact of a global financial meltdown? So the novel depicts a society of financial hardship divided by multiple ethnic cultures, with a widespread segregation of the genders. The main protagonists are a group of MGTOWs.

    I also have an epic fantasy series called Warriors of the Iron Blade. It’s actually a political allegory against feminism and multiculturalism (and various other things) but on the surface it’s a sword and sorcery fantasy. There are three books in the series so far.

    Volume 1: An Exile’s Tread on Forbidden Soil.
    Volume 2: No Brotherhood but that of Our Fathers.
    Volume 3: A War for Generations Yet Unborn.

    So, you can see that I’m writing anti-establishment variations of popular commercial genres (serial killers, dystopian fiction, epic fantasy) but these novels all sell worse than my non-fiction.

    Feminism is Sexism is my main book presenting anti-feminist arguments. It critiques patriarchy theory, it examines the sexist double-standard about the value of human life which treats men as the expendable sex and holds women’s lives to be intrinsically more valuable than men’s lives, it explains the sexist double-standard about human pain which treats female pain as being more serious and important than male pain, and it addresses dozens of other issues of that sort.

    Sex-Objects: a little book of liberation shows the errors and inadequacies of the feminist position on sexual objectification, and it offers a re-evaluation of the concept. It argues that far from being sexually aberrant, sexual objectification is an integral part of human sexual desire which is found in all human sexualities. It's simply a part of how humans perceive the erotic.

    Now, you might be thinking that an anti-establishment author shouldn’t expect success in the mainstream, and I would accept the logic of this. But sadly, it’s not just the mainstream. In February of this year I released an anti-feminist novel called The Macabre Dance: a Contemporary Woman meets a Contemporary Man. I posted a thread on AVFM and if you check out that thread you’ll see that it’s had 683 views and 0 replies. Yes, that’s zero replies. Never mind anyone actually reading the novel, it doesn’t even prompt a response. And that’s on AVFM where you might expect some small tremor of interest.

    This is why I wish you the best of luck, and encourage you to keep writing, but I’d also advise you to prepare for a long hard haul in trying to find a readership. It’s tough to sell MGTOW and anti-feminist novels, even to an audience you might expect to be interested. Like yourself, I get occasional encouragement from readers who write extremely positive reviews on Amazon. (Someone described The Identity Wars as “the new 1984” which is the highest praise anyone could possibly pay to a book!) We are the pioneers and perhaps our day will come.

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    Wow, you've been writing for quite some time. A book self-published in 2013? Wicked! I'm still quite new, and yeah I've learned that selling books is quite slow-going. Still, I've been getting steady sales for a month now, regularly getting bursts of KENP/KU page reads, and getting a good handle on doing those Kindle promotions. Quite exciting to see hundreds of books being downloaded by people all over the place, still hoping to get a download in India eventually but I've already had downloads in 6 continents! So that is VERY exciting! Oh, I forgot to mention Brazil I think, which would include South America. Sounds like some interesting books you've got there though. I think it'd help if you put some of them down to $0.99 US. That's the price I have my first 4, just tried $2.99 with my 5th book and I must say that 70% royalty is VERY juicy, and I imagine I'll consistently have my newest books at $2.99. I think once I have a 7th book finished, which will probably be in May or June, I'll make that 5th book $0.99 or at least $1.99. My first 4 books will likely remain at $0.99 indefinitely to encourate people to give my stuff a try, and I will be doing free promotions as often as possible. All my books are also on Kindle Unlimited, which has been earning me a bit of money regularly as well.

    The self-publishing game has a large learning curve, but I think I'm getting the hang of it in short order. That's pretty heavy praise though, having a book compared to 1984. Wicked stuff. I've had someone say that I'm like Stephen King in that he's going to buy whatever I write as soon as it's published, and has already said he wants to be the first person to buy my 6th book once it's finished. I guess he's perhaps my first fan lol Seriously cool guy, very inspirational and incredibly supportive. Do you take advantage of the Kindle promotions?

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    If you’re getting steady sales, then that’s the main thing. So long as a book is selling, even if the figures are low, then it’s still alive and providing you with inspiration that more readers will come in time. And steady sales can start to add up after several months, and may build into something substantial after a couple of years. I try to avoid thinking in terms of runaway bestsellers because that is a dream that only a very tiny minority of unknown authors achieve.

    Personally, I haven’t found that kindle promotions have made any noticeable improvement in sales, although some people find them effective. The community forum on KDP (they’re author’s message boards) is informative on subjects like this. Not that there is general agreement. Promotions that work for some authors don’t work for others, and their usefulness varies across different types of books.

    One thing that’s often said on the KDP community forum is that the free books promotion is best suited to books in a series, where volume 1 is given away free in the hope that readers will then want to read the subsequent volumes in the series. On the other hand, there seems to be a constituency of readers on Amazon who are only interested in free books, so they download anything that’s free but won’t buy other books by the same author because they don’t want to spend any money. They just want the free books.

    Pricing is problematic. A lower price can attract some people but others tends to think that a low-priced book indicates inferior quality (I’m not saying it does, merely that some people think it does). On the forum I've seen comments from authors who reported that their sales actually increased when they put their prices up and they assumed that this was because their books were being taken more seriously. It’s hard to know what to do about pricing. I generally price my books based upon their length. A book of 400 pages takes longer to write than a book of 200 pages, so I charge more for the former than I do for the latter. It’s a rather simplistic approach but at least it makes a kind of sense.

    You’re right about the learning curve but unfortunately there don’t seem to be definitive answers to these questions. I’m not a businessman, which might explain why I’m not very good at sales!
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    I find that when I do free promotions, my sales spike for a few days afterwards. On one occasion I made $17.11 Canadian or so in... what was it... two weeks, I think? That's 9.90 in British Pounds, which I think is DAMN good for such a new author. Not only that but, about the people who JUST want free books, even people with free books tend to be able to have friends and communicate with them. They might also be in forums with other like-minded readers. So sure, they get a book for free, but if it's written well and they like it then they might tell a few people, and of those people they might buy it but even if they simply catch me on another free promotion, they might in turn tell MORE people, or might go and buy other books. So even though I've given free books to literally over 200 people, that's over 200 people that now might be becoming familiar with my work when otherwise they probably never would have heard of me. I truly and honestly think my free giveaways have helped to spread word about me and is now providing me with pretty regular sales and KENP/KU page reads. Recently I had 2 days in a row without any sales or KENP/KU page reads, and it was the first time I had had 2 such days in a row for almost a month. So I think my system has been working well for me thus far, and I do indeed have a series on the go so it also helps in that regard.

    To each their own though; what might work for one fellow might not work for another. It's just awesome to think that people are downloading my books on 5 continents and I've gotten paid sales on 3 continents. I think if I hadn't have done those giveaways, then I wouldn't have gotten that sale I got recently in Australia. Also when I do those free giveaway promotional things, it sort of lessens how obnoxious it is when you try to 'shill' your books. Going to a site online and saying "buy my books" doesn't come across quite as well as "here, take my books for free". What I've actually figured out recently is that, since you can have each individual book for free for 5 days out of a 3-month period, then if I have 18 books that means I can consistently have at least one book for free every day of the year. I quite like that thought, and so if I ever get to the point where I have 18 books (best-case scenario I might have that many by February 2018), then I want to create a schedule in which I will ALWAYS have at least one book for free for every day of the year. I think that'll get rather complicated though to organize all that, so what I'll probably do instead is just have promotional periods where almost ALL my books are going for free while others are on a Kindle Countdown discount, and my newest will still be full priced.

    I mean, there's A LOT of people out there man. So what if a few hundred or a few thousand get your books for free? If they like it, they might mention it to people in conversation, and they might buy other books that you've written. It's all about getting your name out there. Thanks to my free promotional things there's now over 200 people from several different nations all around the world who not only know my pseudonym/pen name, but also actually HAVE my book downloaded, or at least ready for download. That's over 200 people who might have otherwise never have come to know said name and might never have read my words. If they don't like it, that's very unfortunate, and I'm happy they didn't have to pay money for it because it's not their cup of tea, but if they do like it then I'm doubly glad they got it for free because they'll be more likely to tell others about it. Also in being free is that, as you say, their expectations might initially be low. That's actually fantastic because then it means if it appeals to their tastes whatsoever then they'll be more inclined to like it. If they have HIGH expectations, it's a better chance I won't reach them, and thus they'll be more likely not to enjoy it.

    I think you should look into it though, at least once. When I've got my promotion in action and even the day before, I'll be spreading word about it so that if anyone is even halfway interested in reading a zombie book, or a drama, or an erotica, or a small action novelette, then they can get it completely for free. After that, we'll see what happens, but GENERALLY after I do a promotion there is a spike in sales. I don't have no obnoxiously remind people to check out my other stuff, that they might like it, and try to push my books that didn't go for free. If they're interested, then they'll get it of their own accord, and I'll be very grateful of them for doing so. If they get a book for free and like it, that's great! If they get a book for free and don't like it, that's too bad but at least they didn't have to spend any money, so really I see it as a win/win in the long run. In the short run, sure, I might not have made QUITE as much money as I would have, but I believe in the long run it will help my name get out there.

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