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    Are witches the ultimate feminists?

    Recently on this forums there was the topic of a crazy woman who won some prize for writing a fantasy story of women with the sudden power to kill men at will...

    As strange as such fantasy may seems, I have found that it is actually a very common fantasy among women, as evidence of the popularity witchcraft enjoys within feminism.

    Take for instance Salem, a TV show based on the events of the witch trials in Salem, in the TV show they decide to explore fantasies instead of goign for an historical documentary, in this fantasies women control and kill men at their desires. It is hard to pinpoint any man in a position of power, if he is not the occasional villain that will deserve what he gets the moment a woman cut open a frog...

    So as the witchcraft fantasies play with the imagination of feminist women, and increase in popularity... The Guardian have to ask" "Are witches the ultimate feminists?"

    Men have always feared powerful women, Kristin J Sollee argues in her new book, Witches, Sluts, Feminists: Conjuring the Sex Positive, and the witch is the ultimate personification of that terror. “Witches, sluts, and feminists are the trifecta of terror for the patriarchy,” Sollee explains. “To me, the primal impulse behind each of these contested identities is self-sovereignty … witches, sluts, and feminists embody the potential for self-directed feminine power, and sexual and intellectual freedom.”
    Do we really???

    Do men really fear the powers of the witch???

    What about all those men that practice witchcraft? how they fit in this narrative?

    Sollee’s book positions itself as a whirlwind history of the witch in America and her shared history with sexually liberated women and radical liberationary politics. It’s a bite-sized grimoire than spans centuries, name-checking mythological menaces like Hecate, the Greek goddess of witchcraft, alongside historical heroines such as Joan of Arc and modern-day figures such as Malala Yousafzai. There’s also plenty of space for midwives, satanists, sex workers and the wise brujas holding court at local botánicas. Sollee guides the reader through centuries of mania, magic and malice. She also unreservedly dives into the thornier political issues of intersectionality, sex workers’ rights and the unique oppression faced by witches of color.
    Sounds like a fine piece of propaganda...

    In the chapter Hex Sells: Feminist, Capitalism, and the Witch, Sollee sojourns to a vast Urban Outfitters in southern California, counting up black lace shawls and artisan smudge sticks while navigating the complexities of appropriation and its functionality as a gateway for would-be witches. “There will always be capitalist appropriation of identities and movements that were once relegated to the fringes. I believe the first line of defense is raising awareness about where these symbols originated from, and why they ring hollow when co-opted for corporate gain,” Sollee says.
    It always strikes me this duality of feminism, in one hand they do want their movement to be popular, in the other hand they resent it being popular....

    Hillary Clinton – the Wicked Witch of the Left – is given her own chapter. During the contentious 2016 presidential campaign, the Democratic candidate was dubbed “a witch with a B” by the conservative talkshow host Rush Limbaugh, taunted by Trump supporters who vilified her “vagenda of manocide”, and maligned by Bernie Sanders supporters who cried out to “Bern the Witch!” Clinton’s flaws as a candidate have been discussed to death, but the vehement hatred which she was shown was undeniably owed in part to her gender and to her perceived audacity in grasping for power.
    And in a bigger part to her political ideas?

    The rampant misogyny, white supremacy and bigotry of her opponent’s campaign and current administration have won Trump few friends on the left – or on the left-hand path, as the Women’s March (where some black robe-clad protesters carried “Witches for Black Lives” and “Hex the Patriarchy” signs) and the phenomenon of mass hexings that followed his inauguration showed. Groups of witches across the country gathered to cast spells of resistance against Trump, re-upping their efforts on 20 June, the summer solstice. While many of these gatherings were largely symbolic, their intent was deadly serious. In an interview with Broadly, Lucien Graves, the founder of the Satanic Temple, characterized these spell-casting sessions as a form of protest, referring to them as “symbolic expressions of ritualized discontent”.
    This is of course the politicization of religion... in the fashion that Hoodoo is deeply connected and related to the history and culture of the black american communities, though such political tones are mostly absent in the original african Yoruba religion. Likewise wicca is a politicized version ancient goddess religions.

    Sollee sees this kind of magical community building as a positive outlet for collective catharsis. “Regardless of whether you believe in magic or the collective consciousness or any of that, these mass hexings create community through shared intention,” she explains.
    Ones again, the fascination with witchcraft comes from the fantasy women have to be able to kill and control men as they desire...

    “Witches have always been politically radical, in my opinion, but it seems that even more American witches are these days because the internet allows for a new kind of organizing on a larger scale.
    No really... I come from a South American country with a rich tradition on witchcraft. This politicization of the religion is actually dirtying down... While at the same time denying the real history of the religion... as in ignoring all the male practitioners...

    For instance, how this witch fits in the feminist narrative?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohan_(legendary)

    “It’s no coincidence that the reclamation of the witch as a symbol of female power and persecution started with the suffragettes, and later saw a renaissance in the women’s liberation movement of the 1960s,” she continues. “In this new age of sexist turmoil, it’s fitting she be resurrected once more to teach us, inspire us, and remind us how far we’ve come – and how much further we have to go.”
    Gotta ask... how much further that will be???

    There’s no one way to be a witch, as Sollee stresses, and our own pop cultural icons – from The Wizard of Oz to Elvira and American Horror Story: Coven – have taught us. Her book is not meant to define any of its subjects; instead, it’s more of a primer, or an enticing peek behind the curtain. Personally, she sees the witch in broad terms, defining her as “someone who can shift perceptions and create change. The identity can be conceived of in so many ways, it’s all about discovering what kind of witch you already are – or desire to be.”
    By that definition Trump must be the most powerful witch of this country, right now.

    Solle is also careful to note the very real danger that still faces witches – and accused “witches” – in some parts of the world. To this day, witch trials result in violence against women, including murder, as they have done since time immemorial – from the hangings at Salem and violent 15th-century European witch hunts to the the 500 “witches” killed in Tanzania each year and the continuing persecution of “witch children” in Gambia.
    Violence against women??? should we start listing all the men that got killed on the Salem Trial???

    “People fear what they can’t control. It reminds me of that quote about equality feeling like oppression to those who have always had the upper hand. The threat of gender parity is a frightening prospect – all those rabid, untamed women on the prowl for bodily autonomy,” Sollee says. “But we can use it to our advantage by embracing our deviancy in ways that confound those who seek to silence us. Their fear can become our power.”
    People fear what they can't control...

    That is why women resort to these fantasies that they can control men by the use of hexings?

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    "Their fear can become our power."
    Isn't that the definition of oppression?
    "...especially when it comes to communication, it can be observed, if it is not a negotiation it's a war."
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    Quote Originally Posted by voidspawn View Post
    Isn't that the definition of oppression?
    Yes i'd say so... but besides their intentions to oppress... at the end it all ends up looking pretty much like this:


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    Quote Originally Posted by voidspawn View Post
    Isn't that the definition of oppression?
    And what do you think the whole point of feminism is?

    I sexually identify as a sword pommel, check your privilege or i will have to end you RIGHTLY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simpleman View Post
    Yes i'd say so... but besides their intentions to oppress... at the end it all ends up looking pretty much like this:

    lol

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    And what do you think the whole point of feminism is?

    The pic of the kid is awesome, first time I've seen that one. What a great expression, lol.
    "...especially when it comes to communication, it can be observed, if it is not a negotiation it's a war."
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    Kristin Solee clearly has to much time on her hands! As for Clinton being a victim of sexism, total rubbish! She's a crook, plain and simple. Not forgetting that women do get into powerful positions, Margaret Thatcher won 3 elections in the UK, Angela Merkel was re-elected in Germany, amongst other examples. Sure people have strong opinions over Thatcher and Merkel, though that includes those who think they're wonderful, as well as those who hate them. But whichever, these opinions are no different from those of male politicians. Someone should remind Clinton that millions of women, including a large number of highly educated women, didn't vote for her. And that mega rich bankers have paid her millions, as they knew she'd betray America in favour of Wall Street if she became President. She's not only a crook, but a traitor, who answers any criticism by crying 'sexism'!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plato the 2nd View Post
    Kristin Solee clearly has to much time on her hands! As for Clinton being a victim of sexism, total rubbish! She's a crook, plain and simple. Not forgetting that women do get into powerful positions, Margaret Thatcher won 3 elections in the UK, Angela Merkel was re-elected in Germany, amongst other examples. Sure people have strong opinions over Thatcher and Merkel, though that includes those who think they're wonderful, as well as those who hate them. But whichever, these opinions are no different from those of male politicians. Someone should remind Clinton that millions of women, including a large number of highly educated women, didn't vote for her. And that mega rich bankers have paid her millions, as they knew she'd betray America in favour of Wall Street if she became President. She's not only a crook, but a traitor, who answers any criticism by crying 'sexism'!

    I second, third, fourth and fifth this. Hillary is a hateful, sexist, lying, crooked bitch.
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    Simpleman, the woman who wrote the story of women electrocuting men is Naomi Alderman, the books called 'The Power'. She seems keen on tales of men being butchered by women, as you can see from her comment here,

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...baileys-winner

    *She also implored the audience to go and see*Wonder Woman, throughout which, she says, she wept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simpleman View Post
    Yes i'd say so... but besides their intentions to oppress... at the end it all ends up looking pretty much like this:


    How come that one witch's flame dildo thingy is bigger than the others??

    I guess not all witches are equal-- or rather, some are a little more equal than others...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_e View Post
    How come that one witch's flame dildo thingy is bigger than the others??

    I guess not all witches are equal-- or rather, some are a little more equal than others...
    Or someone didn't see the video.

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