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    Found this link in the Breitbart article comments that Mr.E linked.

    https://www.pscp.tv/NathanDamigo/1PlJQYjpnODJE

    I've no idea who this guy is but the implications of his little rant, are if true, very scary for Americans. The media response reported here in the UK is blanket condemnation of the 'white supremacists', there is no other story being told. I can only imagine they are parroting the MSM in the US.

    This seems to be exactly what this guy was expecting. His belief is that being pushed into a corner is the necessary pressure to create the unity and will to fight. This is getting ridiculously past the point of no return, the media is determined to silence them and they believe that will be the final straw. The media is not going to change it's direction, the far left activists sure as hell won't, the far right activists won't and the right wing moderates are getting pushed into a corner with no choice about their own identity or expression allowed, which suits the far right just fine, because that leaves them no choice but to join them.

    That is way too many interests aligning with their preferred outcome is things getting worse. The last time I had this sick a feeling about the future was watching the Twin Towers attack on live news.

    Last edited by voidspawn; 08-16-2017 at 05:49 PM.
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    One side's got KKK/NeoNazis, the other side's got fuckin' Commies; luckily they're on the fringes of their respective sides.
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    The permitted rally goers where there primarily to protest the removal of historical statues. There was under 500 of them. Some carried Nazi flags, others chanted pro-white slogans, but overall it was a minuscule turn-out.

    The city had months to prepare. They sent about 1000 officers to the rally. Once the hundreds of communist flag waving protestors showed with baseball bats, rocks, bricks and plastic bottles filed with concrete, the police 'stood down' and allowed the protestors to completely surround the people at the rally. The police were hands-off even while people were being pepper sprayed and pelted with thrown objects.

    Then the police started to escort the rally goers away... to 'disperse' them... while allowing the communists to continue marching and hunting down stragglers.

    Then someone ran their car into another car, killing 1 person, injuring several more.

    Escalation was the objective by the police and the politicians giving the order. The city needed a reason to disperse the rally goers and allowed a mob of armed protestors to do it for them. The city had attempted to block the permit.. they were overturned by a judge. So this was plan 'B'. Once violence had started, the police would be allowed to 'disperse' the crowd.

    This was staged to be violent.. and a person ended up dead... cannon fodder for the political identity war.

    When your political message is so weak you have to turn to Mob Rule to get the outcome you want.. this is what happens. Mob Rule is uncontrollable and entirely predictably violent.

    Those 1000 officers should turn in their badges in disgust. The mayor should be ostracized and shamed out of office. The media should have their licenses revoked for providing cover for the violent communist mob.

    As far as men walking around carrying semi-automatic rifles and wearing swastika's... why the hell didn't the police arrest these men also. Its not like a rifle is allowed to be openly carried and I would imagine there has to be photo's of these persons somewhere to corroborate this story.

    What is the common thread between AntiFa communists and Nazi fascists. The desire for State power to use violence to control others.. colloquially called "Socialism." They both share the desire to destroy capitalism... they both share the ideology of achieving Utopia via the use of violence.

    Both those ideologies are based on violence to achieve.
    Want a 'white country'.. then odds are those 'non-whites' won't go voluntarily... then out come the guns.
    Want a 'equality' community.. what about those who will not 'share' voluntarily... then out come the guns.

    Right now, the mainstream media is banking on the 'equality' communist community (actually, historically most American news outlet were pro-Communist). The mainstream put ALL their money and hopes on Commie Clinton and when she lost.. they had no recourse but to try to tie anything they could to get Trump, and those who support him, slandered morally to be impeached.

    Charlottetown is just another step in the process to try to have a standing president removed... so that socialist Utopian can be achieved. For socialists, that women died for the greater cause... a casualty of the information war. It may have not been specifically predetermined, but it was a very plausible and predictable outcome of allowing armed members of violent socialist groups roam the streets in close proximity.

    This is the nature of the state. It uses the mob to promote a threat narrative... to create a false morality that empowers them to use censorship for 'their protection'.. and the 'good of society'.

    So what's next... more YouTube, Google, Firefox, Twitter, Facebook censorship tools for 'protection from hate'.

    Feminism and Nazism and Communist (all socialists ideologies) cannot exist without state censorship and the pseudo-moral justification of the initiation of violence. Censorship is about hiding your own bad ideas from exposure... like the scientific method is based of disproving incorrect theories... freedom of speech is based off allowing others to disprove your incorrect ideas.

    The state is not real.. but it lives in our minds as a concept that is supposed to be about a high moral institution run by our betters. It is, in fact, a self-feeding system run by incompetents and ideologues who are constantly trying to cover up their failures.

    And the state is not above using the cannon fodder of a few useful idiots to further its own growth. The amount of unnecessary human suffering caused by our holy belief in the purity of the almighty state is incalculable. This recent example is yet another body piled onto the mountain of bodies sacrificed to appease the gods of the false moral state.

    God... we are slow fucking learners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iggy View Post
    The permitted rally goers where there primarily to protest the removal of historical statues. There was under 500 of them. Some carried Nazi flags, others chanted pro-white slogans, but overall it was a minuscule turn-out.

    The city had months to prepare. They sent about 1000 officers to the rally. Once the hundreds of communist flag waving protestors showed with baseball bats, rocks, bricks and plastic bottles filed with concrete, the police 'stood down' and allowed the protestors to completely surround the people at the rally. The police were hands-off even while people were being pepper sprayed and pelted with thrown objects.

    Then the police started to escort the rally goers away... to 'disperse' them... while allowing the communists to continue marching and hunting down stragglers.

    Then someone ran their car into another car, killing 1 person, injuring several more.

    Escalation was the objective by the police and the politicians giving the order. The city needed a reason to disperse the rally goers and allowed a mob of armed protestors to do it for them. The city had attempted to block the permit.. they were overturned by a judge. So this was plan 'B'. Once violence had started, the police would be allowed to 'disperse' the crowd.

    This was staged to be violent.. and a person ended up dead... cannon fodder for the political identity war.

    When your political message is so weak you have to turn to Mob Rule to get the outcome you want.. this is what happens. Mob Rule is uncontrollable and entirely predictably violent.

    Those 1000 officers should turn in their badges in disgust. The mayor should be ostracized and shamed out of office. The media should have their licenses revoked for providing cover for the violent communist mob.

    As far as men walking around carrying semi-automatic rifles and wearing swastika's... why the hell didn't the police arrest these men also. Its not like a rifle is allowed to be openly carried and I would imagine there has to be photo's of these persons somewhere to corroborate this story.

    What is the common thread between AntiFa communists and Nazi fascists. The desire for State power to use violence to control others.. colloquially called "Socialism." They both share the desire to destroy capitalism... they both share the ideology of achieving Utopia via the use of violence.

    Both those ideologies are based on violence to achieve.
    Want a 'white country'.. then odds are those 'non-whites' won't go voluntarily... then out come the guns.
    Want a 'equality' community.. what about those who will not 'share' voluntarily... then out come the guns.

    Right now, the mainstream media is banking on the 'equality' communist community (actually, historically most American news outlet were pro-Communist). The mainstream put ALL their money and hopes on Commie Clinton and when she lost.. they had no recourse but to try to tie anything they could to get Trump, and those who support him, slandered morally to be impeached.

    Charlottetown is just another step in the process to try to have a standing president removed... so that socialist Utopian can be achieved. For socialists, that women died for the greater cause... a casualty of the information war. It may have not been specifically predetermined, but it was a very plausible and predictable outcome of allowing armed members of violent socialist groups roam the streets in close proximity.

    This is the nature of the state. It uses the mob to promote a threat narrative... to create a false morality that empowers them to use censorship for 'their protection'.. and the 'good of society'.

    So what's next... more YouTube, Google, Firefox, Twitter, Facebook censorship tools for 'protection from hate'.

    Feminism and Nazism and Communist (all socialists ideologies) cannot exist without state censorship and the pseudo-moral justification of the initiation of violence. Censorship is about hiding your own bad ideas from exposure... like the scientific method is based of disproving incorrect theories... freedom of speech is based off allowing others to disprove your incorrect ideas.

    The state is not real.. but it lives in our minds as a concept that is supposed to be about a high moral institution run by our betters. It is, in fact, a self-feeding system run by incompetents and ideologues who are constantly trying to cover up their failures.

    And the state is not above using the cannon fodder of a few useful idiots to further its own growth. The amount of unnecessary human suffering caused by our holy belief in the purity of the almighty state is incalculable. This recent example is yet another body piled onto the mountain of bodies sacrificed to appease the gods of the false moral state.

    God... we are slow fucking learners.


    Actually rifles are allowed to be openly carried. This man is not breaking the law.




    This man is:

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    Carl Benjamin has done a good video about identitarian politics.

    "...especially when it comes to communication, it can be observed, if it is not a negotiation it's a war."
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    Quote Originally Posted by simpleman View Post
    Few days have gone by this insident, and nobody in this forums have commented, so I guess it is my duty...
    Yeah mate.

    keep on goose-stepping yr way to a unifying answer for everything.

    Since it seems you have decided that other posters here are evil, I suppose you reckon youre on the side of 'good' eh

    You'd fit right in with Venezuela's new "Truth Commission"

    Im utterly amazed and horrified at the insanity on display.

    Where have we seen this sort of thing before???

    Oh yeah thats right, Wiemar Germany for one.

    But what do historic parallels have to do with anything heh?

    edit: hah...seems like Im not the only one seeing history rhymes
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    Quote Originally Posted by voidspawn View Post


    This is the statement anti Trump, leftists and mainstream media are condemning him for?

    This makes him a racist?
    Didn't call the violent by name in that video, no a single time he say a word about the KKK or the neo-nazis... what is your point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_e View Post
    Alt-Right Activists Condemn Violence, Dispute Mainstream Account


    I agree very much with what you said.

    And I will add that there are a number of alternative viewpoints to the situation that the mainstream media are refusing to consider-- *consider*-- as in even bother to tell you could be *possibilities*. They are so entrenched in slanting it into a one-sided conflict. I am presenting this link not as "the truth", but as an alternate explanation for the events presented from another viewpoint. I fully expect that there are details, recollections, and even outright biases and projections contained within-- but it is as "valid" as the perspective presented by the mainstream media-- meaning, it is simply more of the story for the viewer to see, read, absorb and try to incorporate as he/she tries to make an UNBIASED EFFORT to actually UNDERSTAND what happened-- and what IS happening in our nation right now.

    Alt-Right Activists Condemn Violence, Dispute Mainstream Account
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...tream-account/

    And there are lots of different video feeds to view from different angles and perspectives. Pick one, pick many-- they show a different version of the truth.

    YouTube Videos: "Charlottesville Car Video"
    https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...ille+car+video
    This is not the first time extreme left and extreme right clash in the streets...

    However in this case, you can't really say the level of violence was equal.. just by the head count of dead and injured in both sides...

    This prayer is going around jewish communities:

    http://tobendlight.com/2017/08/we-will-not-yield/

    After violence from white supremacists left death and injury in Charlottesville, here’s a prayer and a call to action for all who love this nation.

    We Will Not Yield
    Today,
    I am neither Democrat nor Republican,
    Neither left nor right nor center.
    I am an American,
    Born to a legacy of truth and justice,
    Born to a legacy of freedom and equality.

    Today, I am a patriot
    Who will not yield this nation to hate.
    Not to neo-Nazis.
    Not to thugs self-styled as militia.
    Not to slogans or chants.
    Not to gestures or flags.
    Not to threats and not to violence.

    Hate is hate,
    Ugly and brutal,
    And we will not yield.

    Today,
    I am Christian, Muslim and Jew,
    Catholic, Buddist, Hindu and Sikh,
    Atheist and agnostic.
    I am Asian, Latino, Hispanic, African American,
    White, Native American and multi-racial.
    I am an immigrant, a child of the American Revolution,
    A veteran and a soldier.
    I work in the dark depth of the mines
    And the high towers of Wall Street,
    In the factories and the farms,
    In our hospitals and strip malls.
    I am gay, lesbian, straight, bi, trans,
    Man, woman and gender-neutral.
    I am young, old, blind and deaf,
    Hearing and sighted,
    Disabled,
    Powerful and unafraid.

    Truth is truth,
    That all are created equal,
    And we will not yield.

    Today, I am an American,
    A citizen of the United States,
    A child of this great democracy,
    A child of this wise republic,
    Dedicated to liberty,
    Dedicated to action.

    We will not yield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldblueeyes View Post
    If the Deep State/Swamp/Washington Establishment/Pedophiles do force out Trump...
    You are sick.

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    I don't have much time, may reply more later.



    The men dressed in fatigues with rifles were not there as white-nationalists or racists. They were there as peace-keepers. That doesn't mean none of them are racist, I don't know. But that wasn't their purpose there. Mostly this article expose the prejudice and fear of the jewish man who wrote the posting. We can debate the merits or rationality of his fear, but the truth of the matter is that man he was afraid of probably did more to keep him safe than the police who withdrew from the situation.

    Unfortunately postings like the one shared in the OP present people's assumptions as facts that then need to be countered with the truth.

    People are tired of seeing violence on the news. They're tired of watching anti-fa show up as a "counter protest" with the specific goal of inciting violence and the police and authorities turning a blind-eye. In the face of numerous instances where the police have allowed violence to occur, these particular men showed up to try to help keep the peace. For their trouble they're being lumped in with racists and white-nationalists.
    How do you know who the 3 people with guns was???

    For what I understand, they never approach the people in the synagogue, introduced themselves and explain their presence...

    I don't see how you know who they are and what where their motives...

    By the way, every time there is a nazi demonstration they manage to route it in front of a synagogue and proceed to do their little show... this is not a 1 time event... In some cases there have being vandalized property and assault too...

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