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    Quote Originally Posted by simpleman View Post
    They find them all the time... accordingly to the south american neo-nazis... Hitler made a secret plan in case he lost the war... as the fear would be that aryan race would have been exterminated after loosing the war... to prevent such scenario, they claim, Hitler run a secret operation where he sent thousand of arin children to the remote jungles, to have a race reserve... kinda deal... time to time they discover a white village and claim it belongs to this operation... and of course al lthe neo-nazies in south america are o the purest german blood... because of this... so they ciam...

    There is also a roman legion village in china... basically the same deal, I guess?
    The world is full of stories, isn't it?

    I think you should open a separate thread if you want to disect weird cult arcana.
    We've moved some ways away from Charlotteville.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simpleman View Post
    I eventually will end up confusing some roman god for the greek equivalent...
    How on earth do you manage that? They don't even write with the same alphabet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simpleman View Post
    White National Socialism... there is no such thing as a white nation, it never have being and it never will be...
    Oh, I think Iceland comes pretty close, and Estonia, and Denmark used to be. For instance.
    Us Polars have Saami people here, too, but if it wasn't for that ...

    trying to create one will mean to, at least, push some people out of their homes into the neighboring countries... Nobody have the right to carve a parcel on the land make some claims that it is a white nation and then go full violence on the non-whites there, just in order to materialize this idea of a white nation... nobody have the right to do that.
    Just nippin' by to say that yes, AFAIK, "ethnic cleansing" is kinda off the table, policy-wise, for any proper, housebroken politician.

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    //What is this 'parcel'? A plot of land? A rectangle drawn on the ground?
    In EN, I think it means "a package" (like you get in the mail)//
    //Sorry!//

  4. #494
    Quote Originally Posted by Manalysis View Post
    To some degree, yes; and that is of necessity, since you can never formulate the rules for _every_ possible contingency and accidental of any given law.
    Or, perhaps it is technically possible; but I suspect you'd run out of paper after a few hundred years.
    So laws require interpretation, as the landscape shifts.
    Precedent, and stuff.
    Sometimes they change the meaning of a word... just to change the meaning of a law...

    Yes. Amazingly, they managed for centuries with 12 laws, inscribed on bronze tablets in the Forum for eveyone to read.
    The chief virtue was "fides", "(good) faith", i.e. the intention to fulfill the spirit of the law, not just obey its letter only.
    The latter is what gives us e.g. the evolutionary arms race between corporate tax lawyers and government tax legislators.
    When the Romans lost their faith in fides, suddenly there appeared "advocates", lawyers, which the Romans took as a certain sign
    of the decline of morality and the end of the world as they knew it.
    They missed by a few centuries, but it turned out to be true in the end.
    I don't really know the historical facts... but I still will make the argument that "advocates" appear, when they started to toy with philosophy...

    Probably their first legal case was on the lines of a student of philosophy that refused to pay his teacher:

    The student would argue: "If I win this case then I win, but if I lose, it shall be evidence of how badly he teached me hence I shall not pay"

    The master would have replied: "If you lose then you pay me, but if you win that shall be evidence of how well I teached you, so you shall pay me"...

    Yes. I know you are busy fighting a five-front keyboard war, but it has to be said, it helps to keep track of what was said and why.
    The starting point was your "fundamental reasons why socialist governments turn into the oppressive monsters they do... ".
    When it comes to _fundamental_ reasons, my money is on Kant; the ability to formulate laws is secondary at best in that regard.
    I'm pretty sure Stain had people draw up pretty nicely constructed laws.
    Yeah... I probably have too many balls on the air at this moment... going to cut it down a tad...

    Yeah, you do that.
    It has got nothing to do with our discussion, though; there it's just an irrelevant sidetrack.
    Sometimes I enjoy the sidetracks way too much...

    Haha, John Godfrey Saxe ... "Laws, like sausages, cease to inspire respect in proportion as we know how they are made."
    Idk if Saxe was wise, but he could be funny. I know you don't like poetry, but I'll append one useful poem of his below.
    When I say a "wise man", or any form of it, it is usually because I don't know who said it... or even worse... nobody knows who said it...

    And about poetry... I don't know why people like it so much... must be an acquired taste... like anchovies. It is disgusting, but if you try it so many times eventually you will think it is not that bad...

    About your poem... I think in the cavern myth Plato also mention elephants... there must be something particularly... metaphysical about this animal for it to be the center of such kind of stories.

    How on earth do you manage that? They don't even write with the same alphabet.

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    I pay more attention to what they do and not what is their names... so For instance, if one of them is the god of commerce, to pick an example... I am not so interested in the fact that in one place they name him Mercury, and the other place they name him Hermes... I am interested in the nature of the commerce he does... between men and gods... he carries "messages", but being a merchant he must carried other goods, as well... Then my wild imagination tries to imagine what possible goods and services we humans can offer to the gods... and what kind of goods and services the gods will use as means of payment... in the middle of this commerce between gods and men is this guy... That I don't really care how they name him here or there... but I am fascinated on what he does, and how this messenger/merchant service actually works.

    Oh, I think Iceland comes pretty close, and Estonia, and Denmark used to be. For instance.
    Us Polars have Saami people here, too, but if it wasn't for that ...
    I think there is a difference between a white nation and a nation with white population.

    Just nippin' by to say that yes, AFAIK, "ethnic cleansing" is kinda off the table, policy-wise, for any proper, housebroken politician.

    M
    Going back to the point I made few pages back.. ones we agree that the problem is an ethnical group... then we are left with some few solutions... none of them pretty...

    Saying... it is an ugly reality so we doing an ugly solution... does not really cut it for me... I think we can do better.

  5. #495
    Jews are like women.

    Pleasant to talk to, pleasant to have around.

    But if you put em in charge, your country is fucked.

    This is why we can't have nice things.

    Because "humanitarians" want to open the floodgates to every violent predator on the planet and then be like "violence is a function of class and wealth."

    And that's why Israel's a fuckin mess.

    The Hebrew humanitarians were forced to build walls and practice apartheid. Why?

    Because their rose colored glasses got broken in a street fight.

    I love the whole humanitarian thing, I'm a hippy at heart.

    But even hippies get mugged by reality.

    I guess Venezuela didn't beat the shit out of you enough, you want Round 2 of the ghetto experience.

    I don't give a crap about "white pride."

    I'm saying that as a point of civilized behavior, every tribe has a right to be closed and secluded if they wish.

    If diversity is good then you shouldn't have to force it.

    And if diversity is bad, then that makes YOU bad for trying to force it.

    I dunno about you

    But if I'm in someone else's house and they don't want me there, I leave.

    I don't wait for them to get the kitchen knives and masking tape and throw me out.

    I know their house is real comfy.

    But I have enough pride to build my own, even if it's just a shack in the beginning.

    I never stole from nobody, I don't need your house, your daughter or your money.

    There is enough space on planet Earth to build a shack anywhere.

    It doesn't have to be in California or fucking Belgium.

    There is no magic water in Europe that makes people rich.

    The only magic water is elbow grease and a little bit of brains, you can make the desert bloom, you can turn Somalia into fucking Sweden.

    But not if the locals are busy launching RPG's at each other and ripping off telephone wire.

    You can't do anything with crappy people.

    You can give them each a million dollars and they'll be poor again tommorrow and mug you for your iPhone.

    Bleeding hearts don't change reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simpleman View Post
    That is what I am talking about... when the antifa is violent call them out as that... when the neo-nazis are violent... then both sides are violent???

    Imagine if someone in the forum post a video of antifa beating up a Trump supporter, and I go by saying... "both sides are equally violent"... will they call me hypocrital then??? do they have mirrors at home?

    Here ranting on Trump, again... no on you...
    I'm going to give you one more fair warning...Don't spin on me. I'm fully aware who the players are and their agendas. You seem to avoid complexity when it's convenient.

    I've seen the videos of Charlottesville and seen the violence initiated on both sides.
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  7. #497
    Quote Originally Posted by Manalysis View Post
    I think that's Lady Justitia...
    Oops, my bad
    "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one" - Charles Mackay

    And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. - Donne

    "What we are seeing in this headless misandry is a grand display of the Tyranny of the Underdog: 'I am a wretchedly longstanding victim; therefore I own no burden of adult accountability, nor need to honor any restraint against my words and actions. In fact, all efforts to restrain me are only further proof of my oppressed condition.'
    "It is the most perfect trump-card against accountable living ever devised." - Gladden Schrock

    "What remains for most men in modern life is a world of expectation without reward, burden without honor and service without self" - Paul Elam

  8. #498
    Quote Originally Posted by simpleman View Post
    Sometimes they change the meaning of a word... just to change the meaning of a law...
    they aint you.

    just the way it is.

    and as Dubs put it, you should perhaps be counting your blessings
    Last edited by MatrixTransform; 08-30-2017 at 09:04 AM.
    "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one" - Charles Mackay

    And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. - Donne

    "What we are seeing in this headless misandry is a grand display of the Tyranny of the Underdog: 'I am a wretchedly longstanding victim; therefore I own no burden of adult accountability, nor need to honor any restraint against my words and actions. In fact, all efforts to restrain me are only further proof of my oppressed condition.'
    "It is the most perfect trump-card against accountable living ever devised." - Gladden Schrock

    "What remains for most men in modern life is a world of expectation without reward, burden without honor and service without self" - Paul Elam

  9. #499
    Quote Originally Posted by simpleman View Post
    does not really cut it for me... I think we can do better.
    this is why yr infantile.
    Seems you think the gibber in your head informs what others 'should' do.

    There is no responsibility or accountability.

    Seems you'd like others powerful to simply do your bidding.

    seems like you spend an awful lot of time trying to convince people they should .

    not only are you simple, you are powerless and simple.

    The place you need to start clearing away arse-about think, is in your head.

    You been told your whole life that your condition is because somebody done something to you.

    now yr spending a great deal of energy moaning about it.

    ...and getting nowhere.

    worked it out yet?

    There is no 'I' in team ... and there is no 'we' either

    get off your arse ya whiner and do something useful to others

    Then you'll be valuable.

    ...or continue telling everybody what they need to do for you.

    ...and stay a burden
    "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one" - Charles Mackay

    And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. - Donne

    "What we are seeing in this headless misandry is a grand display of the Tyranny of the Underdog: 'I am a wretchedly longstanding victim; therefore I own no burden of adult accountability, nor need to honor any restraint against my words and actions. In fact, all efforts to restrain me are only further proof of my oppressed condition.'
    "It is the most perfect trump-card against accountable living ever devised." - Gladden Schrock

    "What remains for most men in modern life is a world of expectation without reward, burden without honor and service without self" - Paul Elam

  10. #500
    Quote Originally Posted by dubs View Post
    Jews are like women.

    Pleasant to talk to, pleasant to have around.

    But if you put em in charge, your country is fucked.

    This is why we can't have nice things.
    Well I don't know how to answer to this lines... on the present state of this debate...

    I am sure I will be accused of accusing you of something If I even try to...

    So... no answer to this lines... I guess...

    Because "humanitarians" want to open the floodgates to every violent predator on the planet and then be like "violence is a function of class and wealth."

    And that's why Israel's a fuckin mess.

    The Hebrew humanitarians were forced to build walls and practice apartheid. Why?

    Because their rose colored glasses got broken in a street fight.

    I love the whole humanitarian thing, I'm a hippy at heart.

    But even hippies get mugged by reality.
    Then again... I better avoid answering this...

    But if I'm in someone else's house and they don't want me there, I leave.

    I don't wait for them to get the kitchen knives and masking tape and throw me out.

    I know their house is real comfy.
    I might as well take your wisdom here, and follow your advise...

    But I have enough pride to build my own, even if it's just a shack in the beginning.

    I never stole from nobody, I don't need your house, your daughter or your money.
    One time I stole something... it is a very interesting and kind of fun story... but if I tell you about it that would be like derailing my own threat.. so maybe in another location...

    There is enough space on planet Earth to build a shack anywhere.

    It doesn't have to be in California or fucking Belgium.

    There is no magic water in Europe that makes people rich.

    The only magic water is elbow grease and a little bit of brains, you can make the desert bloom, you can turn Somalia into fucking Sweden.
    No, you can't.

    But not if the locals are busy launching RPG's at each other and ripping off telephone wire.

    You can't do anything with crappy people.
    At least this time you had the sensitivity to now claim that this is because their genetic makeup...

    You can give them each a million dollars and they'll be poor again tommorrow and mug you for your iPhone.

    Bleeding hearts don't change reality.

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