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    Oh well my beloved derailed threat... Why we talk about poetry and philosophy?

    In the other hand... I don't regret any of it...

    As the moderator is issuing "fair warnings" and the so... I'd say it is time to split.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simpleman View Post
    Oh well my beloved derailed threat... Why we talk about poetry and philosophy?
    I'll gladly take my share of the blame.

    In the other hand... I don't regret any of it...
    For the record, I regret and take back saying you don't like poetry. I meant you don't require it in the thread.
    You quote so many poets, I'm sure you like anchovies, too ...
    That aside, thx for some enjoyable hours.

    As the moderator is issuing "fair warnings" and the so... I'd say it is time to split.
    Probably a wise decision; I'd hate to have to count you among los disparacidos.

    See you in the next one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simpleman View Post
    Oh well my beloved derailed threat... Why we talk about poetry and philosophy?

    In the other hand... I don't regret any of it...

    As the moderator is issuing "fair warnings" and the so... I'd say it is time to split.
    The warning was about you taking my comments and trying to spin the conversation into your Ideological Narrative and obfuscating my words and message.

    In the attached video the Mayor of Berkeley finally saw the direction the wind is blowing and has called for Antifa to be declared a gang. I'm inclined to agree with him, although I know their goal is to bring down our current Republic and that warrants a higher threat than mere gang status. In fact you'll also notice the media is finding it awful hard to excuse them after Berkeley last weekend. My only question is where have they been for the last year with these fuckers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIfne_45gIA

    What happened in Berkeley a week after Charlottesville did not happen in a bubble. Antifa has been operating, inciting, and committing violence since the G20 summit in Seattle 1999, they have done this at every event they show up to. It's highly improbable that Charlottesville would be an anomaly as the media and ideologues want us to believe, and the fact there are videos of them engaging in violence: Initiating confrontation by impeding progress (blocking access) to the park, initiating an attack in a parking lot, throwing shit and blocking cars and streets, leaving their permitted rally areas. That is the push back you are getting from this community in respect to both sides being responsible:

    What you may not be aware of is the "Real" KKK had a permitted Rally in Charlottesville on the 8th of July. They were escorted both to and from the park by police and there was no violence on their part. As the Klan left, the counter protesters started following them and impeding their departure, causing violence and the police declared counter protesters an unlawful assembly and arrested some 23. This pissed Antifa et al off and made the next rally an even bigger bone to pick. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/08/u...ee-statue.html

    When the "Unite the Right Rally" was in the planning stages one of the organizers for the previous KKK counter protest in July requested and received two permits at parks flanking the UtR rally. The man who did that was a college professor who mentioned that a gathering of 3 or more without permits can be declared an unlawful assembly was a lesson learned. The tactic which was used when the counter demonstrators left their approved rally areas and started blocking access/impeding movement and engaging with the UtR folks at their approved area causing the whole gaggle to be broken up (including the UtR) under the pretext of an unlawful assembly. Which may or may not get the city around the court order to allow the UtR rally to happen. It's also clear the police did not do the same diligence as they did during the previous KKK Rally a month earlier, and were culpable if not instrumental in the two sides coming together. Some think that was by design to develop the pretext to shut it down.

    For us Americans who follow all of these bat shit crazy's (Both Sides), we are well aware of who they are and what to expect from them. Who initiates violence and who will not if left unmolested. It does not take a brain surgeon to figure out that there was a strong potential of violence with the pre-event media priming the pump and Antifa members coming from DC and other places and the local organizers having a bone to pick.

    There are many more facts about this event I have not mentioned, and more which I believe will come out in the future. But, this is the context for placing blame on both sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy Old Man View Post
    The warning was about you taking my comments and trying to spin the conversation into your Ideological Narrative and obfuscating my words and message.

    For us Americans who follow all of these bat shit crazy's (Both Sides), we are well aware of who they are and what to expect from them. Who initiates violence and who will not if left unmolested..
    does that fit into simpleman's narrative?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNarrator View Post
    does that fit into simpleman's narrative?
    I don't know, I'm trying to share accurate information/observations as I receive it. I found this article today from the Libertarian group American Thinker which speaks to a report by the Department of Homeland Security gave to authorities leading up to Charlotsville. It pretty much corroborates some of my observations. Must read: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...XtsGw.facebook

    Justicar does a reasonable talk on what many in the US already know pertaining to these groups. He also shares(with his usual snark) why some outside the spin doctors may not see the KKK as large an eminent threat relative to Antifa:
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    Quote Originally Posted by simpleman View Post
    I am personally a looser...
    Might I suggest a good belt...???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manalysis View Post
    To some degree, yes; and that is of necessity, since you can never formulate the rules for _every_ possible contingency and accidental of any given law.
    Or, perhaps it is technically possible; but I suspect you'd run out of paper after a few hundred years.
    So laws require interpretation, as the landscape shifts.
    Precedent, and stuff.


    Yes. Amazingly, they managed for centuries with 12 laws, inscribed on bronze tablets in the Forum for eveyone to read.
    The chief virtue was "fides", "(good) faith", i.e. the intention to fulfill the spirit of the law, not just obey its letter only.
    The latter is what gives us e.g. the evolutionary arms race between corporate tax lawyers and government tax legislators.
    When the Romans lost their faith in fides, suddenly there appeared "advocates", lawyers, which the Romans took as a certain sign
    of the decline of morality and the end of the world as they knew it.
    They missed by a few centuries, but it turned out to be true in the end.
    That, IMO, is the best way to handle it. A simple code written in simple words and short enough you can print it out and keep it in your back pocket.

    "Be good to each other."
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNarrator View Post
    does that fit into simpleman's narrative?
    I doubt it. He seems to thrive on imply and insinuate. He calls himself a "moral relativist" and appears to have a difficult time understanding all the "moral relativism" at play here of the "ends justifying the means" variety. Trump condemning the violence on "all sides" is entirely appropriate. And frankly, is extremely salient and warranted given ANTIFA's checkered past. Including the Klan and the white nationalists was really more of a "good will" gesture to the left, IMO. The events which occurred at Charlottesville were in fact tragic, and no amount of spinning either way will change that nor absolve anybody for whatever part they played in them. But I think the evidence is pretty apparent at this point that ANTIFA showed up with the intention of committing violence-- they came with masks, weapons and offensive materials-- all with the intent of using them-- as publicly stated in their own words (on their website and in various interviews) prior to the event. While they probably did not go to Charlotte with the intention of manipulating the situation to the point that a death would occur-- there is little doubt in my own mind that had they not initiated / escalated the violence-- or frankly, had not been there at all-- the death probably would not have occurred at all. And you can look at the history of all of the parties concerned-- the one is associated with abhorrent views but have generally been peaceful in their gatherings. The other holding ostensibly "mainstream" views and surprisingly (or not), is the one who is consistently associated with initiating and committing violence in all of the places they have gathered. As GOM pointed out-- it has gotten to the point now where even the LEFT THEMSELVES, can no longer deny it or whitewash it away.
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    Post Script: I'm hearing that Heather was not the woman in teal struck by the auto and thrown over the windshield of the second car as media alluded too, but a woman in black who may have not been struck, but died of a heart attack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy Old Man View Post
    Post Script: I'm hearing that Heather was not the woman in teal struck by the auto and thrown over the windshield of the second car as media alluded too, but a woman in black who may have not been struck, but died of a heart attack.
    As you don't post any link I had to google it... but I guess google is fake news because this 3 links is all I found about it:

    http://www.theroot.com/fringe-media-...she-1803069261

    http://ijr.com/the-response/2017/09/...-one-murdered/

    http://www.alternet.org/right-wing/a...d-heart-attack

    Can you post a link that is not fake news?

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