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    Quote Originally Posted by voidspawn View Post
    The far right want it to stand down and let them do what they want, the far left want it stepped up but under their control.
    same as it ever was
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  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by voidspawn View Post
    Trump calls out ALL violent. That includes the groups the media and others wanted called out by name. But it's not enough, because of the future message implied.
    Yeah... part of the problem is that he call it this way now... so it is normal to ask... what is different about this case?

    Calling out just the far right groups, will lead to a demand for action from the left, action that will go far beyond the guilty person, but extend to those guilty by association, guilty by implication, guilty by accusation...
    And what is the problem with that? With going after other member or going after the leadership squares of Vanguard America?

    Calling out ALL the groups, worries the media who want to protect terrorists they support...
    You talking here about Al Jazeera... rigth??? you can't seriously here being talking about CNN... are you?

    Trump did the right thing...
    Your opinion...

    Antifa have already declared themselves beyond the rule of law and want to use violent means, but they have people who are individually weak and incompetent at violence, so can only encourage them to be more collectively violent to compensate.
    Somewhat agree with this... though I am not sure about the part of their individual competence... I think they train or something?

    The far right groups have declared themselves within the law
    No the neo-nazis... and no the KKK... but yeah, giving some exceptions... I agree. But then again, it's not the antifa an exception too?

    they have people who are more capable of violence
    I would not even know how to start comparing... certainly running people down with a car requires higher levels of violence capability... but that is 1 incident, I will need more data before I am convince who can do worse...

    Antifa can't win a direct violent clash with the far right groups.
    They actually did fine at Charlottesville. Also consider that not antifa get runned down by the car... the group that got attacked was not antifa... so also antifa knows how to find good places to hang around and not be like a herd of cattle standing in a corner... trusting that they are safe... Imagine those people.. they thought it was safe for them to gather in that corner and hang out for a while...

    It needs to push them outside the law to use the state's violence to destroy them.
    Yeah, that is pretty much half the strategy antifa use.. it is not a secret, they say just as plain as this in their youtube videos.
    They know they are weak and mob like but that is their tactic. They want to throw bodies, ever more emboldened by getting away with it more and more into it, because they will get killed and force the states hand to act against the far right.
    Antifa does not care about right or left... for them they are both sides of the same system...

    It's damned if you do, damned if you don't. You have to try and end the situation.
    I somewhat sympathize with this... For instance there is this guy claiming that Trump actually overstep his denouncing when he called the driver a "murderer":

    How Trump's comments on Charlottesville murder suspect may threaten the legal case against him

    It is a very interesting reading... because apparently we want trump to denounce the groups by names, but not to make any personal comment or some like that... it makes the whole commenting thing extremely complicated...

    I think at this point that maybe is the best that the president never comments in any event like this... and run it with this kind of policy... because commenting is a very tricky business, apparently... so it should just be a blank policy of no comments. and that is it.

    So I an sympathetic with this claim that... it is almost impossible to make the exact right comment... yet still the fact that Trump have made so many "I don't care" comments on the past... why he cares about that now... what is different between this case and the others in the past?

    But it's all about one similar objective, the state's violent power. The far right want it to stand down and let them do what they want, the far left want it stepped up but under their control.
    That is national policy... it flips 180% when it comes to international policy...

    The far right want the government to be more violent against people in other nations, while the far left want the government to engage in less international conflicts...

    When you look at far left strategy it's not about defeating state violence or even developing the capacity to defeat it. It's breaking down trust in whoever is in charge to wield it so that it will be handed over to them.
    Except the Hippies I guess... they were pretty radical lefties and they opposed so much state control... but then again, maybe is an example of what I say before, they mostly oppose Vietnam, while the Right supported it... there is always this difference between national policy and international policy.

    They gamble on this every time. Germany they lost, Russia the Tsar lost. If they can get people scared enough of the far right, and associate Trump as being dangerously connected to the far right. They get control and will demonstrate state power by destroying the far right, and if that gets more extreme and bloody, all to the good, because each escalation of violence lets them embed their control, until a socialist state is implemented.
    In my opinion, the state is already socialist.

    Now the conflict is between Trump and his brand of National Socialism and the liberal opposition and their International Socialism... And on this conflict National Socialism is the right, and International Socialism is the left... but... at least for me... they both are... socialism.

    It is like it does not matter much who wins, because the difference between the 2 are subtle enough that it is almost irrelevant. So much so, that we had all this debate about a president with a penis and a president with a vagina... because this was a much bigger and relevant difference between the options, than their ideas.

    One of the things that far left useful idiots like Antifa need to learn, is that in this game plan. Once their far left leaders have control of state violence, it will crush them with it. They need to clean out the trash, who are acting on emotion, fear and especially those who are acting on a sense of justice and ensure they keep the true believers who act on a cold blooded focus to create a socialist state, who believe so deeply that the human condition must be concluded by a socialist state that any means are acceptable, regardless of how inhuman.
    Naaa, they not that big to worth the assassination... they probably get some scholarship, and a low interest mortgage...

    The far left without violence is a dream of utopia, they far left with violence is a guarantee of a large dystopia of repression.
    100% agree, if you mean here communism.

    The far right without violence is an abandonment of utopian dreams, the far right with violence is a guarantee of many dystopias permanently at war.
    So... basically the same?

    Simpleman, you may well get confused by some of the reactions you see, that's because people are at various different places and perspectives on believing and understanding the game plans of the many sides. Seriously be more worried if everyone reacts the same, especially if they all think the same as you.
    Well it have definitely being a rollercoaster of horror and laughter... I can tell you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by simpleman View Post
    I would not even know how to start comparing... certainly running people down with a car requires higher levels of violence capability... but that is 1 incident, I will need more data before I am convince who can do worse...

    Why do we want to advocate for MORE VIOLENCE?


    It's *ALL BAD*.

    Does "doing it better / faster" make one group morally superior over the other? Or are BOTH GROUPS just plain DOUCHE-BAGS for resorting to violence?

    President Trump was exactly correct when he condemned ALL THE VIOLENCE and ALL OF THE HATE.
    It's time to call it out for what it is.

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