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  1. #11

    RE: A letter to a future daughter-in-law

    Quote Originally Posted by manginamagic
    Quote Originally Posted by Suz
    I encourage him to tread very carefully everywhere he goes; until and unless society changes, that's the best HE can do. The alternative is no civilization at all, which also has costs.

    That pretty much defines human existence - life has costs, you adapt and you deal with it, or you let it beat you down.
    I can only go into so much here, but there are movements in the military, by active duty and retired, to actively bring about the downfall of our government because they don't believe it can be changed. Supporting the enemy, not because they have any affinity with the enemy, simply because they want to see the US government collapse and all the power it has enforcing its will on them. I will give you one example, there was a lt colonel in texas, had a 6 week fling with an illegal alien from mexico, they did not even have sex, it was just a dating relationship, she wanted to get married (for obvious reasons I suppose - to get US citizenship and all the bennies), he rebuffed her, told her she was being unreasonable, it was just a dating friendship, she went and got a lawyer that this Lt Colonel had lied to her that they were going to get married, Texas was going to lock up and imprison this Lt. Colonel, he got sympathetic military friends in high places to transfer him to a base in korea where he had to sit the rest of his military career until the statue of limitations ran out in Texas. He still will not return to the USA on advisement from various lawyers of what "could" happen.

    He no longer wants to keep a government installed that could do this to him, your son, or any man or person. You say it yourself, you son has to walk around like a "new nigger" slave walking on eggshells trying to avert all the RISK that is constantly around him from the plantation owner, who at any whim, can seriously wreck his life if they so choose.

    I am at the amphibious base in coronado right now, the amount of navy seals I see everyday suffering in their quiet desperation is tragic, many don't ask for much, but what little they wish for, is an impossible expectation. A society that does not give equality, but instead enforces tyranny, on the very defenders trying to best serve that society, is doomed to fall. I appreciate your activism, but I see many that are in your son's situation, and its trajedy. You think this society can be saved, but I don't see that. You think your son can make concession after concession to try and be part of this civilization, but what I see is a group of people who have had ENOUGH of making concessions, and they are tired of being the "new nigger" and even if it takes the downfall of the USA, they will no longer concede. Your son is a warrior, but this civilization has made him into a bitch, how much more do you think he should concede before he tells the king to go FUCK HIMSELF like the founding fathers did and use his military training to its best use?

    Is there NO POINT of oppression for you Suz where he should do the founding father option and revolt? When is it too much?? How much of his rights and freedoms need to be taken before you would support a revolt? Define that point for me please. I don't agree the best he can do is to continue to concede MORE AND MORE of himself and his liberty until he is even a more pitiful slave than he already is, the founding fathers probably are spinning in thier grave that you are teaching your son to concede more and more and more, for the benefit of keeping this society supported, ENOUGH. Mitt Romneys own great grandfather left the USA because it was too oppressive, Obamas parents too it seems to me. That is the country you are telling your son to continue to support, that is why we are in the situation we are today, well meaning people like you tell your sons to give up more and more to keep the status quo going, my readings of history tell me that sometimes the status quo has to be wrecked, and a new phoenix rise from the ashes, at what point does your son have too much taken? Obviously the status quo we have right now aint it.
    I don't know if society can be saved or not, but I'm doing what I can anyway. And I have NEVER told my son to "give up more;" I have vocally encouraged every independent thought he ever had. My son will chose for himself how much he will sacrifice, to whom, and for what. I'm pretty sure he is aware of his options, including those not approved by society.

  2. #12

    RE: A letter to a future daughter-in-law

    Suz, people have to define things, get clear goals in mind, or like the hot water slowly turned up to boiling, maybe the frog gets cooked not realizing the small incremental changes around him that is frying him.

    For the founding fathers, they defined how much oppression they were willing to take before they picked up guns. I just want to know if you have defined that point for yourself, I am not advocating violence or for you to go pick up a gun, I just want to know if you have taken time to think how much oppression would you have to see, before you would consider revolting. Obviously the status quo right now aint it, so just as a thought experiment, what would have to happen before you say NO MORE? Your son getting a false rape accusation that puts him in jail for 10 years? Would that be enough for REVOLT? No? Ok, what about your son being killed in a drug raid gone bad because an ex girlfriend wanted to cause him some problems? No? What point Suz, is there ANY POINT you have defined where you say peaceful activism is not enough, I have to take it to the next level?

    If you can't even define where you will say ENOUGH, then like the frog slowly cooking, how do you know when you will be fried? A lot of people, even here at the base, can't tell me where the point of too much tyranny will be where they will revolt, they have no clear goals in mind, no firm ideas, and slowly, like the frog, they are made into greater and greater slaves everyday because they don't take the time to think when is it enough? Please just tell me what point it would take for you to actively take a revolt against your government, is there any point at all? Paul Elam is defying courts who are trying to silence him, he has had ENOUGH in that regard, a true patriot if you ask me, not willing to concede to court order to shut up. Maybe people with guns as agents of that court will come to his home and FORCE him to shut up by sticking thier rifle in his mouth, that is when we will need people like you and your son to say FUCK NO, and use thier military training to defend Paul ELAM and his fight for freedom and stop the tyranny. You and your son may die in this battle to defend Paul Elam against the tyrannical state, how far are you willing to take it Suz? They are counting on you and your son to roll over like the "new niggers"

  3. #13

    RE: A letter to a future daughter-in-law

    Quote Originally Posted by manginamagic
    Suz, people have to define things, get clear goals in mind, or like the hot water slowly turned up to boiling, maybe the frog gets cooked not realizing the small incremental changes around him that is frying him.

    For the founding fathers, they defined how much oppression they were willing to take before they picked up guns. I just want to know if you have defined that point for yourself, I am not advocating violence or for you to go pick up a gun, I just want to know if you have taken time to think how much oppression would you have to see, before you would consider revolting. Obviously the status quo right now aint it, so just as a thought experiment, what would have to happen before you say NO MORE? Your son getting a false rape accusation that puts him in jail for 10 years? Would that be enough for REVOLT? No? Ok, what about your son being killed in a drug raid gone bad because an ex girlfriend wanted to cause him some problems? No? What point Suz, is there ANY POINT you have defined where you say peaceful activism is not enough, I have to take it to the next level?

    If you can't even define where you will say ENOUGH, then like the frog slowly cooking, how do you know when you will be fried? A lot of people, even here at the base, can't tell me where the point of too much tyranny will be where they will revolt, they have no clear goals in mind, no firm ideas, and slowly, like the frog, they are made into greater and greater slaves everyday because they don't take the time to think when is it enough? Please just tell me what point it would take for you to actively take a revolt against your government, is there any point at all? Paul Elam is defying courts who are trying to silence him, he has had ENOUGH in that regard, a true patriot if you ask me, not willing to concede to court order to shut up. Maybe people with guns as agents of that court will come to his home and FORCE him to shut up by sticking thier rifle in his mouth, that is when we will need people like you and your son to say FUCK NO, and use thier military training to defend Paul ELAM and his fight for freedom and stop the tyranny. You and your son may die in this battle to defend Paul Elam against the tyrannical state, how far are you willing to take it Suz? They are counting on you and your son to roll over like the "new niggers"
    I'm not going to answer your questions specifically, but yes, I have considered them seriously.

  4. #14

    RE: A letter to a future daughter-in-law

    Suz,

    That was a damn good article. You talked about an impending collapse. I have seen 4 collapses because of my work. I thought I would describe them to you -

    1. Russia, Yugoslavi, Hungary

    Their culturewas like US. No marriage, no children. When shit hit the roof this is what happened -

    a) Some 40 year old women convinced 20 year old boys to marry them. This was not sugar mommas. The 20 year old had a small income. 40 year old had none.

    b) The 20 year ol women DID NOT hook 20 year old men. They migrated to Turkey, Greece, as prostitutes

    c) The older women were on the streets with no one to look after them.

    d) The older men too were on the streets, butthey survived. Those that had wives looked afterthem and their children

    Zimbabwe

    Thecultureis very different from US. All families are intact. Men Manned Up.
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    [hr]
    ManginaMagic,


    you said -

    I can only go into so much here, but there are movements in the military, by active duty and retired, to actively bring about the downfall of our government because they don't believe it can be changed.


    Hahahahahaha

    I know many, many, many people who had volunteered foractive duty in Iraq and Afghanistan. As you are aware, the govt pays them very little. They do it for the country. When they landed on American shores they were jailed for being late on child support payments.

    Hahahahahaha

  5. #15

    RE: A letter to a future daughter-in-law

    Quote Originally Posted by KeanoReeves
    Suz,

    That was a damn good article. You talked about an impending collapse. I have seen 4 collapses because of my work. I thought I would describe them to you -

    1. Russia, Yugoslavi, Hungary

    Their culturewas like US. No marriage, no children. When shit hit the roof this is what happened -

    a) Some 40 year old women convinced 20 year old boys to marry them. This was not sugar mommas. The 20 year old had a small income. 40 year old had none.

    b) The 20 year ol women DID NOT hook 20 year old men. They migrated to Turkey, Greece, as prostitutes

    c) The older women were on the streets with no one to look after them.

    d) The older men too were on the streets, butthey survived. Those that had wives looked afterthem and their children

    Zimbabwe

    Thecultureis very different from US. All families are intact. Men Manned Up.
    [hr]
    [hr]
    ManginaMagic,


    you said -

    I can only go into so much here, but there are movements in the military, by active duty and retired, to actively bring about the downfall of our government because they don't believe it can be changed.


    Hahahahahaha

    I know many, many, many people who had volunteered foractive duty in Iraq and Afghanistan. As you are aware, the govt pays them very little. They do it for the country. When they landed on American shores they were jailed for being late on child support payments.

    Hahahahahaha
    Never in recent history have we been closer to the real possibility of collapse. It could happen.

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