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    The replacement of feminism

    One of our goals is, to be blunt, the death of feminism as it currently stands. It's an ideology based upon hatred and misinformation, of that there's little doubt, and people are really starting to catch onto this.

    However, feminism has fucked a lot of shit up. The MHRM is dedicated to repairing some of the damage that feminism did to the male image, as well as replacing some of the older traditional values dissonance in respect to such. Clearly, this needs to be done, and there's no issues here =3

    The question then becomes, however, that who's going to cover the fact that feminism has screwed up women's rights, and has spread such ridiculously slanted and false information? At some point, we do still need someone to help with women's rights after feminism has been removed, and considering how much our species goes berserk when females are mentioned at being in even the slightest risk for harm, so just reincarnating feminism and hoping it plays nice the next time isn't going to work, because it'll just run off the deep end with power all over again, cackling maniacally the whole way.

    While this isn't directly the MHRM's responsibility, indirectly the MHRM is going to have to be pretty much required to have at least some of its' membership helping to form a truly universal egalitarian replacement because to do otherwise is to leave the door open for disaster all over again and we'll just end up full circle once more.

    It's very early in the day to be making plans for victory after the war, but it would be unwise to not have at least a rough idea of where we'll be going once the dust settles.

    So... what do you think we should do after we finally remove the claws of feminism from the public zeitgeist? Disband the MHRM entirely and just go for a pure egalitarian group, or attempt to have equally listened to male and female rights movements to hopefully level things out in the end, or some other choice?

    It's easy to band together against a common enemy, but much harder to keep those bonds strong after the foe has been felled, and harder still to rebuild from the ashes. To that end, I'd rather begin thinking about the long term now, rather than shove the idea into the corner, perpetually putting it off until "later", only to have it sneak up upon us when least expected.

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    RE: The replacement of feminism

    Nice post. It was really well done, but I disagree that feminism as it stands today is going to die. Feminists are funded by the government. It wasn't that long ago that MRA's were classified as a hate movement just like the KKK.

    If I were to predict the future I would predict that there is going to be a law enforcing sex selective abortion of males. The technology already exists to make this a reality, and there have been rumblings by some feminists advocating for sex selective abortion to, "finally end the patriarchy for once and for all."
    I think something similar, given current trends, is more likely than the emergence of a kinder, more reasonable feminism-unfortunately.

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    RE: The replacement of feminism

    I somehow doubt it, ptgrenville; it's unlikely that feminists can work up enough people to go along with genocide of that nature. Even now people just kind of agree that we should protect women, and it's only through horribly mangled statistics that the feminists are able to get anyone to agree with them on any extreme measures taken. However, we're seeing more and more people who simply can't put up with anything past the most absolutely casual "feminist" as individuals, and we're seeing a growing rate of women who can't put up with feminism's crap because they're starting to clue in that yelling "ZOMFG PATRIARCHY!" every time you try to confront them with the shit they pull kind of isn't a real answer.

    As such, I think it'll be a very long and slow death, and I don't expect it to happen anytime within the next ten years, even under ideal circumstances, but I do feel that there's a quite reasonable chance that it'll either be morphed into a force designed for true equality, or removed entirely since their lies and propaganda are really starting to wear far too thin.

    Thing like the changes to the schooling and workplace are only just now starting to become rampant just how bad an idea they were. It takes 20-30 years for these mistakes to truly show up since you have to indoctrinate children at the earliest level of about 5 years, and maintain that until they're 25 and out of college before the real problems show up. They started in the early 90's, and we're now starting to see the fruits of that labour, and people are starting to realize how fucked up those results are, and it's going to backfire pretty damned hard because you can't claim "patriarchy!" when the women are hemorrhaging money and hold most of the positions of power. Even the statistics showing a pay gap at all are falling apart because the older men are retiring, and their replacements are primarily 20-30 year old women, and that argument will no longer apply.

    The biggest problem is... feminism is all about gaining MORE power and money, and they'll never be happy; even when things are painfully and blatantly in their favour, to the point there's absolutely no way to convincingly argue in favour of their point, they'll still keep trying to use the same tactics, and it just doesn't work that way. Once you have office buildings filled with women, and your average boss is female, and men almost entirely are left unemployable, well... the feminists have shown that their own explanation is "well, clearly boys are just naturally worse than girls", which can't hold any weight as an argument or boys would've never been so remarkably far ahead for the past 100 years previously, and people are, in fact, taking note of that.

    Anyway, it'll happen, almost guaranteed, unless they manage to force their hand really, really fucking hard in the next five years or so while they still have public opinion and government force on their side. After that, their power base will wane too far to be at genocide level threat any longer.

    Honestly, my biggest fear at the moment is them trying to call in a bomb threat over the weekend for the big event up in Canada. That or actually try to carry one through. They'd demonize themselves pretty damned hard by doing so, but they'd also wipe out the vast majority of the leaders of the MHRM, and that could be devastating.

    We'll see what happens, though.

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    RE: The replacement of feminism

    Currently the biggest enemy of Femminism-Is feminism. Its like this huge hydra beast. Its heads stem from the same foul body, and it fundamentally hates men, but at the moment the heads are busy attacking each other (Porn is bad! Support sluts! Stomp on sluts! More female abuse in movies! Abuse too women culture!)

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    RE: The replacement of feminism

    No offense to anyone else, but I don't see the MHRM as a permanent solution. I see us being needed for another 5-25 years (depending on how things progress), but not permanently.

    When everything is hopefully one day taken care of (key words: hopefully), we'll see some true equality going down. Some sort of group that caters to both gender's needs as well as to various races.

    There'll still be "male" and "female" movements, but they'll be focused on specific issues and be there to ensure the larger overarching group is doing their job without (too much) bias.

    That or feminism does a shit ton of permanent damage and we have fucked up politics for the next two decades.

    Yeah... Either one is pretty likely...

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    RE: The replacement of feminism

    Hey Katsuni, thanks for the good thread. I like your sentiment, but I disagree with some of your suggestions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Katsuni
    One of our goals is, to be blunt, the death of feminism as it currently stands.
    I would use the word "delegitimization." I don't care if people practice feminism so long as any abuse of power is kept in check.

    While this isn't directly the MHRM's responsibility, indirectly the MHRM is going to have to be pretty much required to have at least some of its' membership helping to form a truly universal egalitarian replacement because to do otherwise is to leave the door open for disaster all over again and we'll just end up full circle once more.
    "Universal egalitarian replacement" sounds like an organizational nightmare. What does this replacement look like, and what would day to day operations look like? I could go on about how vague egalitarianism is, but I wrote an article on the subject for a reason.

    So... what do you think we should do after we finally remove the claws of feminism from the public zeitgeist? Disband the MHRM entirely and just go for a pure egalitarian group, or attempt to have equally listened to male and female rights movements to hopefully level things out in the end, or some other choice?
    Specialized groups that operate independently under generalized ethical principles are more practical than a big organization that tries to save the world. A single organization that tries to represent everyone simultaneously has to reconcile internal conflicts over who gets attention first, and that process can be hijacked.

    Don't let utopian pipe dreams distract you from cold, hard pragmatism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatalis
    No offense to anyone else, but I don't see the MHRM as a permanent solution. I see us being needed for another 5-25 years (depending on how things progress), but not permanently.
    I choked on my drink when I saw the 5 in your figure. What makes you think that its possible the MHRM becomes non-optimal in only 5 years?

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    RE: The replacement of feminism

    Defeating feminism, at least the politicized efforts isn't even where the real battle starts. What happens after politicized feminism falls is where the real fight starts. 1000 of years of gynocentrism entrenched into our society is where the battle will take place. This is where the MRM, in my opinion takes the center stage in trying to educate young people in previously feminist dominated universities.

    I can see a scenario where the MRM transforms from a human rights movement into a bastion of education of unapologetic truths instead of political correct garbage.

    "Hey, you're a man, you're not a protector/provider, you're a human being with emotions, dreams, desires." - Convincing greater society of this is where the real battle to me will take place.


    The longer this whole thing goes on, the more men will opt out permanently.

    First, you become the disgusted.
    Second, coming to reality(redpill).
    Third, opting out.
    Forth, trying to spread redpill to others.
    Fifth, you stop caring, drifting further from society.
    sixth, you become indifferent.
    seventh, you've become set into your ways.
    Eighth, you're never going back, no matter how the laws change to more equal outcomes.


    So many MGTOW's I've spoken to, myself included, have already reached stage 8. I've spoken to at least 6 different herbivore males from Japan and they also said no amount of law changes or women changing attitudes will cause them to seek relationships. They have told me straight up, they're done, permanently.

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    RE: The replacement of feminism

    Quote Originally Posted by Gatalis
    No offense to anyone else, but I don't see the MHRM as a permanent solution. I see us being needed for another 5-25 years (depending on how things progress), but not permanently.
    I'd have to agree with you that the MRM (as it is right now) will loose its legitimacy once the system of feminist governance will be out and the laws that cater to PC bullshit and feminist claptrap are thrown to the dustbin of history.
    Anyway, once that happens, I'll definitely secede myself from the MRM.

    However,... 5-25 years? Don't get me wrong, I really do love your optimism. I'd love for that moment to come this year, if possible.
    But the reality is that it is highly unlikely that that moment will come during my life time - or even during the lifetimes of those that are in their early teens right now.
    My nieces are 2 and 4 right now. I'd wager that the complete demise of the feminist governance will occur during their children's lifetime. That seems more realistic.

    Again: I'd love for you to be right. But I'm willing to bet that you're wrong, unfortunately.

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    I honestly think the egalitarian replacement allready exists. It's just that it's so misguided by feminist doctrines that it think it's doing good when just adressing half the problem. If we can just convince people of how things actually look, I don't think there's going to be a problem keeping a more gender neutral focus towards equality. Because I think the majority of people are allready interested in this. They just don't have the knowledge or power to do anything about it.

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    RE: The replacement of feminism

    I think perhaps I see feminism a bit differently to most on here.
    I consider it to be a trojan horse and the payload is a docile, pacified population and one world government.
    This may sound mad to you but I have been considering this for nearly 10 years.

    I noticed that the recent attacks on Warren Farrel's appearance in Toronto were staged by the Socialist Workers Party. I don't know if people here are familiar with SWP but they are part of a network of revolutionary thugs who are brought in by the powers that be to intimidate anyone who promotes ideas that don't lead to where they want to take us. They are applied to people who can't be silenced or discredited by more conventional means.

    It is not possible for the likes of us to see the plans that are being made for our society. However I can certainly see the hand of orchestration and co-ordination.

    Ask yourself this. Who gains from feminism? Who would gain from a society where men are marginalised, numerically reduced and have nothing to fight for? A feminised population is a docile population because in the end women don't really fight, they protest and comply.

    The founding fathers of the US knew these things only too well. That's why you have the right to bear arms.
    Even with guns women aren't as dangerous to the plan as organised men with something to fight for. Eventually they will take this right away from you anyway.
    So before whatever comes next is applied masculinity must be transformed from something that is capable of organising and fighting as a societal group into something that isn't. We are to become women with dicks perhaps?.
    I believe this is one of the central tasks of feminism - to destroy the defensive capabilities of masculinity.

    So my answer to what comes after feminism is "Potentially something worse when feminism has done it's job".

    Our population is gradually being transformed over the generations into something else. Soemething that will accept whatever is next. That is why feminism is crucial. If you want to own a society you have to own it's women. Many religions understand this but westerners have forgotten how it works. See also how religion is being marginalised.


    Perhaps you should ignore my deranged ramblings and just consider this - What if the endgame of feminism isn't feminism at all, at least not as we currently understand it. Feminism is just taking us there.
    If that were the case what would that endgame be?


    I'm fully aware that all this sounds insane. The forces behind this are insane.
    In a properly functioning democracy no-one needs feminism or a men\'s rights movement. There will always be more women voters. Even so, if feminism ever stood for election it would be laughed out of town.

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