MGTOW Forum Fuckwits

[admin]

Well, gents and ladies, it seems I have earned the ire, if you can call it that, of some of the fearless leaders/mods over at MGTOW Forums.

http://www.mgtowforums.com/forums/mens-g...speak.html

There is a bit of history on this.

Initially a couple of their mods came in here to stir shit, and when those plans did not pan out (oh shock) they started bashing AVfM for the unthinkable habit of allowing women to speak on the main site.

I guess we didn't go our own way they way they wanted us to.

Being that I am not going to allow any of this to stain the pages of the main site, and I am not going to let the piss ants stir up shit in here, I figured to just address it in this thread and let it be done.

Their problem is with Aimee McGee's article daring to suggest to MRAs that we have bigger problems on our plates than hypergamy. And to be honest, there was some parts of the article that I disagreed with. I think men need to discuss and complain about hypergamy a lot, though I think McGee made several good points regarding perspective and balance.

I am fine with where we differ. AVfM started as a personal blog, but it has grown to be too important globally to insist that every line of every article meet my personal litmus test.

The only requirement that I have for publishing on AVfM is that our writers further the cause of the activism for men and boys. McGee has done that more than any of the mods from MGTOW Forums ever will.

I see an opportunity here, This forum is very user friendly to MGTOW's. MGTOW Forums is the largest one of its kind, but it is run by children. I will happily siphon off as many of the men they ban and shame for not measuring up to their cliquish little band of alpha wannabe's as I can.

God knows Nacho and his bootlickers run them off as quick as they come in.

AVfM is already a more traveled site than their forum, and as time passes the MGTOW presence here will eclipse their little circle jerk.

I would appreciate it if the mods here would just ban the trouble makers they send here without ceremony. I don't want them to stink up the place.

Let it be known that AVFM forums has an open door to any MGTOW who finds the company over at MGTOW forums too puerile to remain interesting.

Again, I would like to contain this discussion to just this thread and by no means at AVFM.com.

Oh, and as a heartfelt first gesture, any of you men from MGTOW forums that are not of the asswipe variety of management there who would like to stay here and have discussions with fellow MGTOWs, you are welcome here, without licking anyone's boots.

[Verywierd]

I think there are many in that other site that honestly feel that all women are inherently hostile by nature, like some kind of malign parasite, and that it is impossible to reach any form of accommodation with them. At best, they hope to alert all men to their danger and to live as if women are a separate species that is competing for living space with men on the planet, abetted by a number of turncoat men.

I think the best analogy to their viewpoint is "The Scorpion And The Frog". They truly believe that the best intentioned of women will be tempted to "sting" in the end, just because it's their nature.

[manginamagic]

"What's in the MRM for women?"

I see that posted several times over there. I think there is a poster called OBMOM saying marriage was structured to keep society in check. I agree that it seems marriage in my grandparents days and social norms kept families together, today it is just too easy to move on or upgrade, and this is detrimental to society as a whole. In this country, the USA, I see it being more detrimental to men the way our courts are structured, in some other countries I see it being more detrimental to women. But even here, I meet many unhappy women, that with all social norms and customs thrown to abandon, and allowed to go into hypergamy warp drive, are very miserable and unhappy people who probably would have been much more successful growing up a couple generations ago.

In 2000 I travelled to guadalajara mexico, and all over the streets I saw many male homeless children, not the first female homeless child. I asked some of the people there why is this? They said the boys don't need the help like the girls do, the catholic churches and charity organization will help only the girl children. In the USA, I see many male homeless vets, very rarely do I see a female homeless person. I wonder if being a male homeless adult or child you begin to get really upset at a system that hugely benefits one gender over another?

So whats in the MRM for women? I see women who see thier sons getting trampled on as "new niggers", I see women who see thier new boyfriends getting trampled on as "new niggers" from the ex, I see women who can't stand to see thier fathers or brothers get trampled on as a "new nigger", I see women who have watched this video by Paul Elam,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNKl5ISXlHU about building a male bomb. And they are worried, and rightly so, that if we don't do something to address the problems of these "new niggers" that a violent blowback is probably in the cards that could certainly damage american society, and if you start factoring in things like the 90 million male surplus in china, and other social ills globally, could literally lead to ww3. So there are many benefits to keeping society peaceful that it should interest women in the MRM.

I support any women that sees injustice and wants to correct it, even if its for her own selfish intentions to keep society at peace and keep the world existing.

[MrWombat]

The guys at MGTOWForums feel that women invariably co-opt and ruin male spaces whenever they are permitted to. Time will tell.

[Sir]

I have always thought it is more of a problem the way MEN behave when women are involved that causes the shit re womens involvement..

It is MEN who fail to see how womens interests in the MRM can mean that the MRM gets steered down a road that is, frankly, just another form of feminism.. (The usual key word to note is how often "equality" is mentioned.. It is no secret that many MRA's are mostly concerned with trying to achieve "equality" with females.. But why the fuck any man wants to be treated like a woman and act like a woman baffles me.)

I agree with Paul. blowing off gas is a waste of time. The main thing a forum like this needs to be doing, is making the case for solid real life activism.

[Demosthenes]

(10-17-2012 10:50 PM)Sir Wrote:  I have always thought it is more of a problem the way MEN behave when women are involved that causes the shit re womens involvement..

It is MEN who fail to see how womens interests in the MRM can mean that the MRM gets steered down a road that is, frankly, just another form of feminism.. (The usual key word to note is how often "equality" is mentioned.. It is no secret that many MRA's are mostly concerned with trying to achieve "equality" with females.. But why the fuck any man wants to be treated like a woman and act like a woman baffles me.)

I agree with Paul. blowing off gas is a waste of time. The main thing a forum like this needs to be doing, is making the case for solid real life activism.

If 'Activism' is the plan and the focus, I am not seeing it. I see a bunch of named forums, but I do not see a presentation of how to get involved, a list of people state by state, or federally with whom contact can be made in order to drive an agenda related 'activism'.

What topics are being tackled first? What writing (letter and email) campaigns are ongoing? What petitions are being propagated?
If activism is the focus, then put that activism front and center and make it a real topic of discussion. Thus far, the activism has been silent and relatively invisible. It's easy to talk about, but much harder to organize and push for real change.

Is this site going to push for changes? What changes? (topics list above). Can we get on board with those topics and begin an actual male centered grass roots effort locally, regionally, and even nationally to address topics and subjects which we believe/know are unfair?

It's time to clarify positions and define a platform of change. In order to do that, choices must be made and a direction chosen. If this site is going to truly be about activism, it will need to do something at the core of the word that is being claimed. It will need to organize and to 'Act'.

[Dr. F]

G'day Paul,

I stumbled upon the discussion there myself by coincidence just tonight.

I have never been to that site before and see how Aimee's article has stirred things up over there. I don't know the mods there or the history of the site at all so I can't say anything informed about what the hell all the hoopla is about, but I can say that finding division based purely on sex is not a well thought out plan.

The rad fems do this sort of thing all the time, and being an MRA as I am I want no part of that cloth if it's "black only" or "just for whites."

[misterbill]

The only reason MGTOWforums is the most popular MGTOW site is because everyone from the old MGTOW ProBoards site moved there after the fembots had it shutdown. The old posters provided all of the content and then were systematically banned.

Nacho was a relatively new member of the ProBoards forum at the time, and the ONLY reason he's running the show at MGTOWforums is because he was a tech guy at the time when a tech guy was needed. No one really knew him very well. About the only thing he had to offer was stories about how he got screwed in a divorce. Um, okay... thanks. The complete asshole side came out later.

At first they were hysterical about feminists registering to try to get the forum shut down like they did with the ProBoards forum. That turned into banning people for ANY reason, including punctuation and grammatical errors, or the suspicion that a member had trouble getting laid, etc.

[Rog]

i find that forum funny
they say women cannot overcome their hypergamy (natural instinct)
yet their whole forum is based om men overcoming their need to be with women??(natural instinct)

ummm makes no sense and they are blind to logic in this sense i think

anyone can overcome either i think so it makes their no women argument a mute point....

[ratslicer]

The main admins over there are a serious embarrassment to the whole MGTOW and MRA movements. The way they act, the spitefulness, the lies about people they don't like, and the inability to handle any criticism. It makes one wonder if the site is actually run by women.

If the administration over there does not change their attitude, eventually their forum will crumble to dust. Which I wouldn't be sad to see happen, quite frankly. It's all coming full circle.

I'm glad you stood up to them Paul. Good job.

Oh,

How's life in d-block fari? hasmat?