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  • 62% of women admit to having rape fantasies.

    First, I do not condone rape. Rape is horrible, and if you do it you should go to prison. That said, a while back I came by this study.

    Not only are 62% of women are mentally disturbed, but 62% of women are also idiotic. One cannot willingly be raped. This study did make me wonder how many women file false police reports in order to complete the fantasy of rape?

    http://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/...ssertation.pdf

    WOMEN’S EROTIC RAPE FANTASIES
    Jenny M. Bivona, B.A., M.S.
    Dissertation Prepared for the Degree of
    DOCTOR OF PHILOSOPHY
    UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS
    August 2008

    Abstract

    This study evaluated the rape fantasies of female undergraduates (N = 355) using a fantasy checklist that reflected the legal definition of rape and a sexual fantasy log that included systematic prompts and self-ratings. Results indicated that 62% of women have had a rape fantasy, which is somewhat higher than previous estimates. For women who have had rape fantasies, the median frequency of these fantasies was about 4 times per year, with 14% of participants reporting that they had rape fantasies at least once a week. In contrast to previous research, which suggested that rape fantasies were either entirely aversive or entirely erotic, rape fantasies were found to exist on an erotic-aversive continuum, with 9% completely aversive, 45% completely erotic, and 46% both erotic and aversive.

  • #2
    I see this becoming a trend, but first they accuse men of being rape by then, and yet they have a fanatasy about it. Women are a dieing breed.

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    • #3
      I think i should, as a chick, maybe clear some of this up? but know, its just me explaining... myself ... which i am usually bad at but OK HERE WE GO!

      when i first become.. i guess aware of my sexuality i did have lots of sex dreams or fantasies.now, i am a very sexual person. i think about sex more than anybody should.i may have rationalized it differently then others but the "rape" dreams are basically more about someone taking you and giving you what you want. showing you what you like. but also, these fantasies, are just that. a lot of people think about killing others and doing other things they would never otherwise do. i think its important to realize that. Just b.c someone has fantasies of some hot guy pushing you up against a wall in an ally way and banging you nice and dirty doesnt mean they actually want to do that, because regardless, that is scary as shit. i think thats pretty simple to understand.

      Now in the BDSM community there are people that are into what they call "consensual non-consent" but to me the concept seems mostly just like hardcore sadomasochism. those who take that stuff seriously are really good at getting into the head space of " i do not want this."

      besides, i'm sure lots of guys have rape fantasies as well and do go around actually wanting to rape people.
      “If you are alone you belong entirely to yourself. If you are accompanied by even one companion you belong only half to
      yourself, or even less, in proportion to the thoughtlessness of his conduct; and if you have more than one companion you will fall more deeply into the same plight."

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Ro-bot View Post
        I think i should, as a chick, maybe clear some of this up? but know, its just me explaining... myself ... which i am usually bad at but OK HERE WE GO!

        when i first become.. i guess aware of my sexuality i did have lots of sex dreams or fantasies.now, i am a very sexual person. i think about sex more than anybody should.
        Let me guess, you didn't read the study but somehow you're some expert on this study?

        Originally posted by Ro-bot View Post
        i may have rationalized it differently then others but the "rape" dreams are basically more about someone taking you and giving you what you want. showing you what you like.
        There is no rationalization in what you just stated. Rape is about sexually assaulting you against your will. Rape is NOT, "taking you and giving you what you want. showing you what you like." Thank you for showing your complete lack of understanding on this serious subject, and showing you're in the 62% of idiots who imply that rape victims somehow "giving you what you want".

        Originally posted by Ro-bot View Post
        but also, these fantasies, are just that. a lot of people think about killing others and doing other things they would never otherwise do. i think its important to realize that.
        That's a completely idiotic comparison. Having a fantasy that you want to be raped is completely illogical. Again, rape is about sexual assault against your will.

        Originally posted by Ro-bot View Post
        Just b.c someone has fantasies of some hot guy pushing you up against a wall in an ally way and banging you nice and dirty doesnt mean they actually want to do that, because regardless, that is scary as shit. i think thats pretty simple to understand.
        What the hell? So again, you're comparing rape to having a hot guy have sex with you?

        Originally posted by Ro-bot View Post
        Now in the BDSM community there are people that are into what they call "consensual non-consent" but to me the concept seems mostly just like hardcore sadomasochism. those who take that stuff seriously are really good at getting into the head space of " i do not want this."
        Again, you're missing the whole point of this. No matter how many times you say it, wanting it to be true and clicking your heels together, it won't be true.

        Originally posted by Ro-bot View Post
        besides, i'm sure lots of guys have rape fantasies as well and do go around actually wanting to rape people.
        Now you're saying that guys having rape fantasies committing against other women, is the same as having a fantasy of rape committed on you? Wow, that's a new low for an idiot to go.

        For anyone else reading this:

        Ro-bot just showed us how much of an idiot she is, and what kinds of risks women pose to men with their illogical thought train they constantly ride on. She thinks that rape is about "giving you what you want. showing you what you like." Women, like Ro-bot, think it's normal to want something against their will, which is just disgusting.

        Of course, not all women are like this but 62% of them will be dumb enough to admit this in a study.

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        • #5
          haha i never claimed to be an expert. I often wondered why anyone would have rape fantasies. and i have had convos with men and women who have these fantasies. its very strange but they also admit they would never want it to actually be raped (or do the raping).

          And yeah i do think its normal to have those thoughts(obviously since so many people have them). Thats why people turn to taboo sexual acts. To get all the feeling of without the actual risk. Just like with porn.

          Men can also have rape fantasies where they are being used sexually by one or more women against their will.


          Also did you read most of this?
          You:What the hell? So again, you're comparing rape to having a hot guy have sex with you?

          The study: In the first type, he suggested that women are
          aggressively approached by a dominant and attractive male who is overcome with
          desire for her


          edit: i imagine you have never been or wanted to submit to someone before sexually?
          Last edited by Ro-bot; 10-27-2014, 04:34 AM.
          “If you are alone you belong entirely to yourself. If you are accompanied by even one companion you belong only half to
          yourself, or even less, in proportion to the thoughtlessness of his conduct; and if you have more than one companion you will fall more deeply into the same plight."

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          • #6
            No, I don't have fantasies about killing anyone. Not even my ex's boyfriend. Sometimes when I am angry, but not often, and I know full well I would receive no pleasure in it, even if I got away with it. Anger is not a fantasy. Its not a reasonable analogy.
            Nor do I fantasize about raping a woman. If I have any consistent fantasy, it would be a fantastic and affordable hooker I could have as I please, and then go back to real life, relaxed and relieved. Vending machine sex. Service my needs for a fair price, then go away.
            My cynicism is a direct product of my experience, just like the other men here. It is not something native to my nature. It is simply self-defense in an ugly culture. As a man, I love women. I long to love and be loved, not trapped in a battle with a fat, angry, treacherous wolverine. I have a conscience and live by it. I take pride in my fairness and integrity. I am proud of what I am, even though it makes me an Enemy of the State.
            If women ever want to reject the hatred, open their eyes to the ugliness, open their minds to the lies, open their hearts to love, men are waiting with open arms.
            And I think I speak for many. I am not special. I am any man.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ro-bot View Post
              haha i never claimed to be an expert. I often wondered why anyone would have rape fantasies. and i have had convos with men and women who have these fantasies. its very strange but they also admit they would never want it to actually be raped (or do the raping).
              You cannot want to be raped, because rape is against your consent.

              Originally posted by Ro-bot View Post
              And yeah i do think its normal to have those thoughts(obviously since so many people have them). Thats why people turn to taboo sexual acts. To get all the feeling of without the actual risk. Just like with porn.

              Men can also have rape fantasies where they are being used sexually by one or more women against their will.
              Again, rape is against your consent. You cannot fantasize something that's against your consent. It's a pretty simple concept, and if you can't understand it you're an idiot.

              Originally posted by Ro-bot View Post
              Also did you read most of this?
              You:What the hell? So again, you're comparing rape to having a hot guy have sex with you?
              Yes, but I guess you didn't read this part of the study, "using a fantasy checklist that reflected the legal definition of rape and a sexual fantasy log that included systematic prompts and self-ratings."

              Originally posted by Ro-bot View Post
              edit: i imagine you have never been or wanted to submit to someone before sexually?
              You're equating submission to rape. Thank you for devaluing the seriousness of rape and continuing to prove you're an idiot.

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              • #8
                Well, just wow. I feel almost like posting into this might be taking a step out into a minefield. Firstly I must say that the wording in both this post and the actual study is misleading. In the study it states that the number of women who "fantasize" about being actually "raped by a man" is 33.2%, NOT 61.8%. The 61.8% number comes from women who fantasize about being "overpowered or forced by a man to surrender sexually against" their will. Yes, being "forced to surrender sexually" is pretty much the textbook definition of rape, however when worded like this to someone it has less emotional impact than the actual usage that the word rape. This lack of impact is likely to cause women who have a sexual submissive fantasy to be influenced to admit to their fantasy. So, yeah, sorry Eric W. I've gotta side with Ro-bot on this. The studies wording is misleading enough that it points more toward a submissive BDSM type fantasy than actually being raped. As well as the fact that by using the word "fantasize" it implies a subconscious level of control over the situation. These women aren't wanted to be raped, they are wanting to be taken, to have their sexuality validated and valued by someone who's lust for them is so great that it overpowers his willpower to hold back and be "proper".

                I will be taking the time to read this study further later, but from what I have noticed from skimming it:

                It also points out that 74.8% of women want to "pretend to struggle and resist before submitting", so again, two Nos and a YES is yes? Apparently for these 74.8% it is, however it doesn't make the act of raping a woman any more despicable if she hasn't consented before hand, right? Of course. Also it indicates that 40.5% of woman fantasize about "forcing a man to surrender sexually against his will", wouldn't this be the textbook definition of rape as well? So these 40.5% of women are fantasizing about raping men, but how odd is it that nowhere in this checklist does it say "Do you fantasize about raping a man".
                "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" -Edmund Burke

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                • #9
                  In Poland we have saying "The horse's courtship" meaning:
                  The female just pretend to be hard to get, to discourage weak males. In the end she want to be taken.

                  And this study show this. Prime animalistic horse's courtship.
                  Proof that you are worthy of my holy vagina, by overcoming my objection.
                  If you cannot defeat me, how you will protect me against other?
                  This is logic behind it.

                  Now. Ro-bot.
                  No. Men do not walk around and thinking about raping women's. We simple don't do that.
                  Fantasizing about having submissive partner is something different.
                  If you don't see the difference, my advice is that you contact some Psycho doctor because you need help.
                  Also I find suspicious you even claiming that
                  besides, i'm sure lots of guys have rape fantasies as well and do go around actually wanting to rape people.
                  Does we have another Feminazi instigator?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Metalo View Post
                    Well, just wow. I feel almost like posting into this might be taking a step out into a minefield. Firstly I must say that the wording in both this post and the actual study is misleading. In the study it states that the number of women who "fantasize" about being actually "raped by a man" is 33.2%, NOT 61.8%.
                    The study states, "Results indicated that 62% of women have had a rape fantasy, which is somewhat higher than previous estimates." So yes, saying 62% of women actually admit to having a rape fantasy in this post is accurate.

                    Originally posted by Metalo View Post
                    In the study it states that the number of women who "fantasize" about being actually "raped by a man" is 33.2%, NOT 61.8%.
                    Your 33.2% is not in the study. 33% had a "negative [(i.e., feeling used, degraded, guilty, shameful, angry) ] reaction" Are you referring to that?

                    Originally posted by Metalo View Post
                    The 61.8% number comes from women who fantasize about being "overpowered or forced by a man to surrender sexually against" their will. Yes, being "forced to surrender sexually" is pretty much the textbook definition of rape
                    Thank you for agreeing with me.

                    Originally posted by Metalo View Post
                    however when worded like this to someone it has less emotional impact than the actual usage that the word rape.
                    It's about preserving your reputation. If someone flat out asked, which they did as the study pointed out, those individuals will tend to hide it. Of course, you previously pointed out 33.2% will admit this, while another 28.6% won't come out and admit it.

                    Originally posted by Metalo View Post
                    This lack of impact is likely to cause women who have a sexual submissive fantasy to be influenced to admit to their fantasy. So, yeah, sorry Eric W. I've gotta side with Ro-bot on this.The studies wording is misleading enough that it points more toward a submissive BDSM type fantasy than actually being raped. As well as the fact that by using the word "fantasize" it implies a subconscious level of control over the situation.
                    You've already admitted that 33.2% will admit it, even though the study has shown otherwise. I actually think this may change your mind once you continue reading the study.

                    Originally posted by Metalo View Post
                    These women aren't wanted to be raped, they are wanting to be taken, to have their sexuality validated and valued by someone who's lust for them is so great that it overpowers his willpower to hold back and be "proper".

                    I will be taking the time to read this study further later, but from what I have noticed from skimming it:
                    Thank you for disclosing this. The statistics in the study are quite scary when you keep reading it.

                    Originally posted by Metalo View Post
                    It also points out that 74.8% of women want to "pretend to struggle and resist before submitting", so again, two Nos and a YES is yes? Apparently for these 74.8% it is, however it doesn't make the act of raping a woman any more despicable if she hasn't consented before hand, right? Of course. Also it indicates that 40.5% of woman fantasize about "forcing a man to surrender sexually against his will", wouldn't this be the textbook definition of rape as well? So these 40.5% of women are fantasizing about raping men, but how odd is it that nowhere in this checklist does it say "Do you fantasize about raping a man".
                    My point is not about a person wanting to rape someone else; that's definitely possible, and sick by-the-way. The point was that someone cannot have a rape fantasy as themselves being the victim, as you are consenting to having that fantasy. I'm not surprised that the undergraduates being sampled didn't know this.

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                    • #11
                      wow i have no idea why Eric is freaking out. like he said himself it is a simple concept but they are just FANTASIES! but for some reason this is some weird problem?! or feminist conspiracy!? that b/c these women have these thoughts SOMETIMES....what? what are you trying to get from this?

                      the study just goes around in circles anyway(btw its a great study) but come the fuck on. you act like you dont know what a fantasy is. its always something you want to say to someone you like or dont like but never do. these things are healthy for you to have. it helps you rationalize many things. and most every one knows rape is bad, but , like most fucking things, its an area where many people dont get to experience. or want to actually. so what do they do? just dream up things from what they know, or rather what they think they know.


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                      Now. Ro-bot.
                      No. Men do not walk around and thinking about raping women's. We simple don't do that.
                      Fantasizing about having submissive partner is something different.
                      If you don't see the difference, my advice is that you contact some Psycho doctor because you need help.
                      Also I find suspicious you even claiming that
                      Yes some men do. Like i said i have many talks with people and men do think this. I dont think men in this group do. and you said "thinking", i said fantasize.

                      there is a difference yes but in the study i see words that stand out like submission, having no control, being scared. one of the real differences with submission and rape. you eventually give in. HOWEVER in these fantasies, some women give in, as they admitted.

                      and why do you find it suspicious?
                      Last edited by Ro-bot; 10-27-2014, 06:36 PM.
                      “If you are alone you belong entirely to yourself. If you are accompanied by even one companion you belong only half to
                      yourself, or even less, in proportion to the thoughtlessness of his conduct; and if you have more than one companion you will fall more deeply into the same plight."

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Crumbock View Post
                        No, I don't have fantasies about killing anyone. Not even my ex's boyfriend. Sometimes when I am angry, but not often, and I know full well I would receive no pleasure in it, even if I got away with it. Anger is not a fantasy. Its not a reasonable analogy.
                        Nor do I fantasize about raping a woman. If I have any consistent fantasy, it would be a fantastic and affordable hooker I could have as I please, and then go back to real life, relaxed and relieved. Vending machine sex. Service my needs for a fair price, then go away.
                        My cynicism is a direct product of my experience, just like the other men here. It is not something native to my nature. It is simply self-defense in an ugly culture. As a man, I love women. I long to love and be loved, not trapped in a battle with a fat, angry, treacherous wolverine. I have a conscience and live by it. I take pride in my fairness and integrity. I am proud of what I am, even though it makes me an Enemy of the State.
                        If women ever want to reject the hatred, open their eyes to the ugliness, open their minds to the lies, open their hearts to love, men are waiting with open arms.
                        And I think I speak for many. I am not special. I am any man.
                        hey, thats wonderful. And i get what youre saying. u_u)

                        <.< also i too would just love to afford an awesome male hooker(?) for a while. ( know its like, grr youre a woman you can "manipulate" any idiot to sleep with you, you she-devil!!) but i want what you want.
                        “If you are alone you belong entirely to yourself. If you are accompanied by even one companion you belong only half to
                        yourself, or even less, in proportion to the thoughtlessness of his conduct; and if you have more than one companion you will fall more deeply into the same plight."

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                        • #13
                          I was first getting into Computers & the internet just after the mid nineties. One of the hottest things going in those days were the ADULT chat rooms where people could anonymously explore their sexuality with total strangers. The "Rape" rooms were always filled most of the day. If you were to get into one of them, you would see that there was a higher proportion of females to males.

                          Yahoo had many of these. One of the most popular ones was titled, "Slut Rape and Humiliation". Not only about rape but the female being humiliated.

                          I used to wonder why this was. I concluded that just as there are so many young guys who don't know how to go out and hook up with girls, that there must be a large number of girls who don't know anything about how to
                          attract guys to them and "go from there". So should they put themselves in a position where they are "raped"
                          (and provided that it is an experience they found some positive merit to) then they wouldn't ever say anything.
                          You often hear of so many females never admitting to having been raped.

                          The last time this became a big talking point was when the book "50 Shades of Gray" came out and women were all over it. It was a BDSM themed book. So many guys can't understand that kind of stuff, but for the girls they can enjoy being a victim as they have no responsibility and aren't complicit in the event. Like an innocent by stander getting sexed. (and rationalizing in her mind, "I'm a good girl, I didn't do nothing to cause this")

                          I think most guys suspect the girls who cry rape are attention whoring. Possibly trying to attain some social
                          standing in the community without having to do anything to achieve it. Just cry rape and hoards of do gooders come to carry you on their shoulders to a better life.
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                          • #14
                            Imho the topic is out of expertise area of most people. What is the "teaching" of this topic/survey. That women actually want to be taken by force, no questions asked. Sometimes. Because some of them maybe can't attract men properly.

                            I see this survey just proving again how emotionally driven people in general are. Even the ones who claim/portray that they are totally logical.

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                            • #15
                              ^^^^^^ IAGWTP


                              to me i think most women do not have great sex. they dont even know what its truly like to be in a D/s sexual relationship so they have these fantasies to live out some sexual release from what porn tells them and what ever gawd awful things i guess magazines are saying these days. /facepalm


                              I concluded that just as there are so many young guys who don't know how to go out and hook up with girls, that there must be a large number of girls who don't know anything about how to
                              attract guys to them and "go from there".
                              when i first became aware of my sexuality, i did have these fantasies. today i rationalize it as there was no one i could imagine having sex with, or wanting to have sex with me. nor could i understand what sex would feel like. but watching porn and movies it was almost always somewhat violent but satisfying. so yeah.

                              anyway i find this to be completely normal for people to have and the study even says this is only one of 3 fantasies common with women.


                              anyway i shared this study with some people who are into "rape-play/ consensual non-consent" and they believe that the wording should change as well and would yield even more of a response.
                              “If you are alone you belong entirely to yourself. If you are accompanied by even one companion you belong only half to
                              yourself, or even less, in proportion to the thoughtlessness of his conduct; and if you have more than one companion you will fall more deeply into the same plight."

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