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    Columbia University students assembled mattresses on their campus last Friday in support of Emma Sulkowicz, a student there who claims she was raped by a friend with whom she has admitted to previously having consensual intercourse. According to her story, he was drunk and she wasn't, although she had felt faint earlier in the day. She allowed him into her room, where he pinned her arms up against the wall and began penetrating her anally, which they had never done before. (She does at least say she told him to stop and that he did not.) There were no witnesses and she did not report the incident to police or get a rape kit. She decided to report the incident to campus security after meeting an ex girlfriend of his who had intercourse with him many times which she considered to be consensual, but which she later came to feel was coerced. This woman also says she had come out of an abusive relationship before she started dating him.

    Even though campus police conducted an investigation and could not find proof of wrongdoing on the accused's part, the two alleged victims are claiming that the sole reason for this is that numerous errors were made during the investigation. The students are now protesting the fact that this man - against whom no evidence exists - has not been expelled from the school, and media outlets are characterizing this as a situation in which Columbia has taken no action, despite the fact that multiple women are claiming this man raped them.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...ushpmg00000056
    http://bwog.com/2014/01/23/accessibl...t-at-columbia/

  • #2
    sounds like a good test of the college's standards.
    he was drunk she wasn't drunk people cannot consent to sex as we all know so she obviously raped him, were their genders reversed this case would have been open and shut string up the filthy beast so lets see how this goes down shall we.
    "It is the greatest inequality to try to make unequal things equal." - Aristotle

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Incubus View Post
      Columbia University students assembled mattresses on their campus last Friday in support of Emma Sulkowicz, a student there who claims she was raped by a friend with whom she has admitted to previously having consensual intercourse. According to her story, he was drunk and she wasn't, although she had felt faint earlier in the day. She allowed him into her room, where he pinned her arms up against the wall and began penetrating her anally, which they had never done before. (She does at least say she told him to stop and that he did not.) There were no witnesses and she did not report the incident to police or get a rape kit. She decided to report the incident to campus security after meeting an ex girlfriend of his who had intercourse with him many times which she considered to be consensual, but which she later came to feel was coerced. This woman also says she had come out of an abusive relationship before she started dating him.

      Even though campus police conducted an investigation and could not find proof of wrongdoing on the accused's part, the two alleged victims are claiming that the sole reason for this is that numerous errors were made during the investigation. The students are now protesting the fact that this man - against whom no evidence exists - has not been expelled from the school, and media outlets are characterizing this as a situation in which Columbia has taken no action, despite the fact that multiple women are claiming this man raped them.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...ushpmg00000056
      http://bwog.com/2014/01/23/accessibl...t-at-columbia/
      Something is wrong with the "there is a problem -- destroy a man's life" knee jerk response to this.

      Women who get into abusive relationships usually started out with abusive upbringings, and have problems that leave them with difficulty setting boundaries, which can be overcome but not without help or effort. As for the man who had sex with a woman out of an abusive relationship which she did not feel was coercive at first, but she later felt was coercive, well, for her to later start to feel it is coercive is a big step on the way for her to start figuring out how to set boundaries.

      Problem is, if a man -- young and very high sex drive, therefore desperately horny and not good at showing self restraint -- pretty much used pressure to get her to agree to sex, the fact that she had a poorly developed sense of setting boundaries before really should not turn into an excuse to somehow destroy him after the fact. Furthermore, the only way a person can develop a sense of boundaries is for other people to treat that person normally. If you have a good sense of setting boundaries, you will feel the gumption to say no (when you mean no) despite whatever pressure or coercion is being exerted.

      What an abused person needs to experience is someone who exerts a lot of pressure, and so forth, but who lets them say no without engaging in some sort of retaliation afterwards for saying no, or who doesn't engage in physical force upon saying no. The person who is afraid to say no and gives into coercion is someone who has been conditioned due to past experiences when saying no resulted in abuse. But, how can you learn to set boundaries, unless you hook up with someone who exerts a lot of pressure, and you build up the gumption to say no, or you don't but you realize afterwards you should have, you resolve to say no next time someone puts upon you, and you do it.

      Just because some women have a hard time saying no, because of whatever experiences they have and in the past, doesn't mean every man must diagnose this problem and somehow change how he relates to her vis-a-vis sex. That's merely enabling a problem, and not allowing the person to do anything to improve it.

      And another thing, if you have problems setting boundaries, it's not only going to show up with sex. You will have co-workers taking advantage of you in the same way, cajoling you into doing their work for them, or into taking blame for things you shouldn't. Ultimately there is no way you can escape learning how to set boundaries.

      Why is it that feminists want to enable permanent pathology in women? How can any woman be expected ever to have happy relationships in the future without sorting out these problems first?
      Last edited by dmschlom; 09-14-2014, 10:20 PM.

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      • #4
        Note also how the attitude of these alleged rape victims who are dissatisfied with their sexual experiences with men reflects this capitalist consumist ethic that has developed around women due to the fact that they control most of the spending decisions in America. And so women are at the center of this whole "the customer is always right" business ethic that is essentially spilling over into areas it shouldn't.

        These women have been spoiled by consumer society in such a manner so that they feel like every sexual experience they have with a man should be like a trip to Disneyland -- customer satisfaction guaranteed, or else they are entitled to a refund.

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        • #5
          Why men continue to go to these colleges, no idea. You're not going to change the culture there, not as long as government money is being pumped into them. Get your degree's online, go into trades, go overseas to universities that don't have this fucking problem.

          If you must go to college, I'd go to a non-western university, overseas. You could also make a little side-cash by teaching people English. My friend went to a Japan university, never experienced any of these problems, only knew a little Japanese at the time.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bolo View Post
            Why men continue to go to these colleges, no idea. You're not going to change the culture there, not as long as government money is being pumped into them. Get your degree's online, go into trades, go overseas to universities that don't have this fucking problem.
            Not knowing what college is like before having gone to college and of course pressure to go to college not for any tangible benefit but just to have gone to college because "that's what your suppose to do"
            "It is the greatest inequality to try to make unequal things equal." - Aristotle

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bolo View Post
              Why men continue to go to these colleges, no idea. You're not going to change the culture there, not as long as government money is being pumped into them. Get your degree's online, go into trades, go overseas to universities that don't have this fucking problem.
              Yeah, tell me about it. I actually had someone offer to help me get a job at Columbia several months ago, in the hopes that I would be able to take some classes there and hopefully get a Master's degree from them. This was a very kind offer on this person's part, and they were genuinely just trying to do something nice out of the goodness of their heart. But I ultimately turned it down, in part because I've long known I would never go to Columbia, ever since I heard years back that they enacted some policy where men who were accused of rape weren't allowed to defend themselves. It was quite some time ago, so I don't remember the details of it now, and since the man in this story hasn't been expelled yet, hopefully, they've overturned that policy or maybe the specific details were a little different than what I'm remembering. But that school is known for its radical feminists. They've showcased "women peeing standing up" devices at some of their events and things like that. But unfortunately, most young men who are just entering college don't know about these things, and it is also regrettable that people who have the intelligence to get into the top schools should now be prevented from pursuing those paths because of these sorts of university policies. A mind is a terrible thing to waste, and all that.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Incubus View Post
                since the man in this story hasn't been expelled yet, hopefully, they've overturned that policy or maybe the specific details were a little different than what I'm remembering. But that school is known for its radical feminists.
                it's not whether they fail to charge this one guy who from the sounds of things might actually be guilty but the fact that based upon policy SHE should be charged with rape and expelled because she had sex with someone who could not have given consent due to his being drunk at the time.

                the fact that this stupid policy isn't being applied fairly to both sexes equally is it's own separate problem on top of it being a rejection of centuries of legal principle concerning due process.
                the fact is they are only thinking of repealing it now when a female might possibly be harmed by it is entirely another problem and makes for a Trifecta of stupidiy and misandry.
                "It is the greatest inequality to try to make unequal things equal." - Aristotle

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