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Sarah Silverman Admits She Made Up a Wage-Gap Story, Then Calls Critics ‘Maniacs’

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  • Sarah Silverman Admits She Made Up a Wage-Gap Story, Then Calls Critics ‘Maniacs’

    I just wonder how many other stories about Wage gap are made up...

    All of them.

  • #2
    yeah all of them:

    on average women make ether as much or more on an hourly basis than men they simply choose to work less hours and at lower paying jobs (like what you get with a degree in feminist studies) then women bitch when those guys who end up picking up the overtime they choose not to work get not only a larger paycheck because they worked more hours but also get promoted faster because they are harder working and more reliable.

    I kind of have a pet theory as to why many feminists are also communists and socialists, it's that they are lazy and the Idea of being able to work less but still get paid the same appeals to them.
    "It is the greatest inequality to try to make unequal things equal." - Aristotle


    • #3
      My Post on the Reddit is going viral:

      I think Jack that you are right.
      They are to lazy, so expect that hard working people will share fruit of there labor with them, because oppression. I hate this type mentality.


      • #4
        Feminism is a fantasy, to justify their unreasoning hatred, and to give rich, famous privileged skanks like Silverman a reason to feel "oppressed" Oh, the humanity!"


        • #5
          So basically she's saying that she's sorry for getting caught because the larger issue is still a noble cause.

          I'm done Silverman - I liked you but then you out yourself as a liar.


          • #6
            I wasn't sure how much of a right-wing spin National Review would put on this but I did click anyway, and watched the original video they link to, it was definitely fake.

            So her example was totally wrong, we all agree.

            But even a guilty party, you have to ask what are they guilty of? I think there are several levels of possible guilt:

            1. worst: she on her own creates this story

            2. she willingly lets herself be used for a dishonest agenda

            3. she is manipulated without her knowledge for that agenda by the people interviewing her

            UPDATE: The club owner also should have been more clear with her, it's at least partly a misunderstanding, he never told her it was an unpaid slot:
            Oh goodness. All I can say is I remember that story exactly how I said it. I know that Todd called the club earlier in the day to let them know I was in town if they wanted me to do a set. They put me up for a 15 min spot just after Todd’s 15 min spot. I didn’t expect to get paid, that’s not why I was there, but when I got off stage Al, the sweet club owner, paid me 10 bucks and I signed the payment sheet. I was like, oh, nice. I inferred from that that this was a paid spot not a guest spot. Either way I would have been fine. Then when Todd pointed out that he received 60 dollars for the same spot I went back inside and asked Al why Todd got sixty dollars and I got ten. That’s when he certainly could have said “Because it was a guest spot, Sarah. I was just being super nice and gave you ten dollars for cab money.” But instead, (and I will always remember this exactly how he said it because it was unbelievably hilarious) he said, “Oh- did you want a $60 spot?”
            Why the hell he didn't just say directly, "It was a guest spot, therefore unpaid normally" I have no idea. He should have been clearer.

            And shame on National Review for leaving this huge part of the story out: Al instead of telling her it was an unpaid guest spot, said something else which make it sound like it was just "lower pay for equal time" But Silverman should have been more careful not to use an example unless she was really sure she knew all the facts.

            Well she is not at 3...but she was not a 1 either, clearly she is guilty of 2 at worst (or two and a half if the above quote Al being unclear counts for anything)

            And even 2 comes in several levels, we don't know what they told her off camera, she was not completely lied to, because she says they asked her for a story where she got paid less than a man...but was she manipulated at least partly? We don't know what she was told off camera...they might have played games with her:
            oh, you know Sarah, we want to just hear any story, any experience, where you got paid less"
            Is this an attempt to be soft on Sarah, no, the MHRM is shooting itself in the foot if we don't reply the smart way.

            What's the smart way? The smart way is, in public, to challenge Sarah to admit that 1. the video gave a false impression of 'unequal pay for equal work'", challenge Sarah to 2. admit that any 'crying wolf' or even exaggeration only hurts credibility and 3. challenge Sarah to admonish, in public, any groups who plan to distort or exaggerate.

            In a very polite way challenge Sarah to do these three, including the last one, ask her "Will you take a public stance asking all women's rights groups to not exaggerate or distort?" I'll give Sarah points even if she adds "because it will hurt the cause"

            If she does that, we have moved Sarah at least part of the way towards MHRM or at least towards saner Gender Egalitarian positions. If she refuses any of those three, then yes, "done with Silverman" is a reaction I can understand. But don't shoot ourselves in the foot - why give up a made to order opportunity to challenge her to take these three steps above? If she speaks out even a little bit on those three, it's a victory, or at least a meaningful step forward,

            And, Silverman speaking out this way will also make other women (and men) less terrified to challenge dishonest campaigns, which is yet another win. I hope MHRM groups and individuals (anyone on twitter for example or facebook which I don't really use) to politely challenge her to do these three simple things, because they are the right thing to do.

            This is a teachable moment! An opportunity to say, to as many people as possible, "see, there is a toxic environment out there so be more skeptical in the future, and be careful about claims made and speak out against dishonest campaigns and distortions"

            If instead the message is just "the MHRM now hates Silverman" then we've lost all of the above opportunities, which would really be shooting ourselves in the foot.
            Last edited by 4malelib; 04-17-2015, 07:12 AM.


            • #7
              What a night.

              After this thread here on Sarah Silverman and me trying to push folks here to think more strategically and not just enemies , I did something much more dangerous: then I tried giving feminist website another view my blog link for how that turned out..


              • #8
                Originally posted by 4malelib View Post
                What a night.

                After this thread here on Sarah Silverman and me trying to push folks here to think more strategically and not just enemies , I did something much more dangerous: then I tried giving feminist website another view my blog link for how that turned out..
                I'm after several beers. But i have problm to understand you. Does it is beers or anybody else also have this problem? Use more . and ,


                • #9
                  I like your beer sentence and your sense of humor.. I was saying on one night I first tried (in this thread) to do a little pushing of MHRAs to reconsider media strategy...and then I did something harder, defending Alison on a feminist website...if you click the link it has my AVFM blog post with more about that..But still maybe don't read it after too many beers (you might need beers after reading it however

                  I think someone say my blog post or else Alison (I informed her I posted on that blog, though it was entirely my idea to post there) because some MHRAs have posted, and so far there's been debate on that blog but the few I've seen were at least relatively mostly respectful on all sides...not great but could be worse.

                  Anyway on Silverman, above in this thread I give my take on MHRM media good smart tactics versus too common angry (for good reasons angry I admit) but counterproductive tactics

                  One more feminist just wrote to me today on that blog...she said she's never seen anyone on AVFM stand up for some issue, I did a quick google and pointed out, in a nice way, to her that there is a thread on AVFM forums on exactly that..maybe I broke some stereotypes she had....

                  first comment on my blog post I linked to, now also has link to the debate on the feminist blog if you want to stand up for Alison's right to speak or just to see some of it...