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    This is a good piece by Pooja Bedi.

    Pooja Bedi is a popular personality across all Media in India. She has featured in several memorable advertising campaigns including Tips and Toes, Frooti and the larger than life Kamasutra condom campaign. She’s been the brand ambassador to the Country Club, Kaya Skin Clinic and Allergan India.

    This is what she said:

    http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes...mean-anti-men/

    I am a huge supporter of women’s rights. Women’s rights and safety in India needs to be made a priority. We need strong laws, stringent punishments and swift sentencing to protect and uphold their rights, provide justice and send a strong message out to perpetrators of crimes against women.

    But why must being pro-women equate to being anti-men? Laws in a democracy are meant to be fair, balanced and gender sensitive but neutral. The new proposed marriage bill reeks of unfairness, stupidity and gender bias. It states that in the eventuality of a divorce, a woman gets 50% of what a man has, including his inherited and inheritable wealth.

    Think about it logically. If demanding dowry from a woman’s parents during marriage is illegal and unlawful, then how is demanding the wealth of the husband’s family at time of divorce considered okay?

    Visualise this scenario… I as a mother work my butt off for 25 years to buy my son a home and secure his future, and a woman he marries for just 3 days is entitled to half of it, if she separates for a period of three years from him. And best part is, what she came into the marriage with is protected as “streedhan”, but what he came into the marriage with is half hers. No concept of “purush dhan”????

    Today, women are earning their own money and if we are promoting an era of equality our laws must reflect that. In a dual income marriage, why should men be stripped of half their earnings while women get to keep what they have earned? Don’t men work just as hard as women do to earn money? What about those men who sit at home and take care of kids while the wife fulfils her ambitions?

    I agree Indian women have had the short end of the stick for centuries, but a law wronging men and their families is nothing short of revenge. Laws need to promote equality, not bias. Two wrongs do not make a right!

    Apparently the law in India is just as misandric as in Western countries. What do you think Deidre? Maxx? Mr. E?

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    India is a complex beast.

    I know that much about it.

    The entire fabric of India culture is based fundamentally on the idea of putting pussy on the pedestal. Not just that but the cast system works to literally position women in increasingly higher and higher pedestals on the basis of the lightness of their skin and the lineage of their family bloodline.

    This sort of regal feudal set up that only happens among a handful of elites in places like the UK or Netherlands seems to be common place in India for EVERYONE.

    Every man is born into a pool of other men and only permitted to marry women within that pool. Often who he is permitted to marry is chosen for him based on what's best for the family itself rather than the individuals concerned...male or female.

    For a long time in the west it's basically been accepted for women to achieve significant wealth and social mobility via marriage. In India there are checks and balances places on this ability via the cast system.

    A stunningly beautiful goat herders daughter CANNOT marry a prince. Ever. She can marry the highest value male in HER CAST. The best most handsome...goat herder.

    Not the highest value male period.

    I'm watching the developing economy and culture in India with great interest.

    To me the idea of a cast system feels communist. Rigid and oppressive. I think it seems that way to a lot of westerners.

    I know that marriage is used as a means to connect businesses and families together in profit and capital driven undertakings. Marriage is means for cartels to operate exclusivity and exert control and dominance over various industries.

    Everyone has their place and social mobility is limited by the restrictions of the cast system.

    But what about new ways of wealth generation? Telecoms, web providers, animation, outsourced from major western companies.

    What happens when the economy of India changes as has dramatically over the last few years?

    Many of my friends who work in visual effects and animations creative sectors are losing work because it's being conducted increasingly in India by high skilled and significantly cheaper Indian artists animators and coders.

    This is a merit based economy. These people win the contracts from companies like Pixar not just because they are cheaper but because the quality of their out put is equal or superior.

    What if the next Pixar hot shot like Brad Byrd is a guy who grew up in an Indian village and rose from lowest cast?

    Will he be able to marry an India woman at the top of Indian food chain and cast system? Will he want to? What will introducing the opportunity for massive merit based social mobility like that do to the fabric of Indian culture and society?

    To the laws cited in the OP and the culture that informs them.

    How will the 'old families' at the top of the current cast system feel? How will they respond. What will be the implications, politically, legally, culturally...
    Last edited by Maxx; 12-23-2015, 01:16 PM.
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    • #3
      Interesting. In the past, my country does have such clannish system of its own, almost like India, but mostly centered around bloodlines and ethnic/tribal boundaries.

      For example, if I am an Alawi (descendant of Ali ibn Abi Thalib the 4th Rashidun Caliph), then my sons can marry any women they like, but my daughters must marry another Alawi. If I am a Chinese-Indonesian, my children must marry another Chinese-Indonesian. And so on. The natives has a lot more flexibility, but they also have a complex system of taboos of their own. For example, If I am a Batak tribal leader from the Ginting family, I am not allowed to marry any woman who also have the surname Ginting, even though we have no blood ties whatsoever.

      But our taboo system are not as rigid as the Indians. Those who break the taboos by marrying outside their tribal/ethnic group are forming the "Peranakan" sub-culture. A large percentage of our people, though self-classify as "Indonesian", cannot claim themselves pure native Malay, but if we investigate deep enough, there's always a Chinese or an Arab, or even a Dutch ancestor in their family tree.

      Going back to India, I share your interests too Maxx, because if people like Pooja (interestingly she doesn't say "feminist" but "women's rights activist") are successful in overturning those misandric laws, perhaps you people on the West could do the same.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by john_lord_b3 View Post
        This is a good piece by Pooja Bedi.

        Pooja Bedi is a popular personality across all Media in India. She has featured in several memorable advertising campaigns including Tips and Toes, Frooti and the larger than life Kamasutra condom campaign. She’s been the brand ambassador to the Country Club, Kaya Skin Clinic and Allergan India.

        This is what she said:

        http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes...mean-anti-men/




        Apparently the law in India is just as misandric as in Western countries. What do you think Deidre? Maxx? Mr. E?

        I think it's interesting how women complain about the exact same things once it's THEIR MONEY that's getting scammed.
        FEMINISM is a HATE GROUP - Feminists are HATEFUL PEOPLE
        It's time to call it out for what it is.
        == REJECT FEMINISM. EMBRACE HUMANITY ==


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        • #5
          Originally posted by mr_e View Post
          I think it's interesting how women complain about the exact same things once it's THEIR MONEY that's getting scammed.
          Ja. And many women are formerly feminists until their own interests are being jeopardized by Feminism.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by john_lord_b3 View Post
            Ja. And many women are formerly feminists until their own interests are being jeopardized by Feminism.

            It ain't equal unless either party can comfortably and happily accept either side.
            FEMINISM is a HATE GROUP - Feminists are HATEFUL PEOPLE
            It's time to call it out for what it is.
            == REJECT FEMINISM. EMBRACE HUMANITY ==


            The World of Men - Men's Rights / MGTOW / Sites of Interest to Men
            http://forums.avoiceformen.com/showt...nterest-to-Men

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            • #7
              Originally posted by mr_e View Post
              It ain't equal unless either party can comfortably and happily accept either side.
              This is already the norm in countries where excesses of feminism doesn't reign supreme.

              Now it's the burden of the next generation of Westerners to figure out how to remedy those excesses.

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