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    Generation Porn? The Real Reasons Why Men Are Shunning Marriage
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04j1RqInHjE


    Published on Feb 7, 2015
    Dr. Helen Smith, author of Men on Strike, discusses the state of the young American male with PJTV's Andrew Klavan, Bill Whittle and Matt Orr. Are men shunning marriage because of the economy, or do they have alternatives to marriage, like porn and easy sex? Could it be that women simply giving-up on the hopes of having a relationship with the current pool of men in America? Hear the answers.
    FEMINISM is a HATE GROUP - Feminists are HATEFUL PEOPLE
    It's time to call it out for what it is.
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    I made it up to the point where they started talking about Japanese grass-eaters being the fault of the economy, and I had to stop listening.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by StrongSilentType View Post
      I made it up to the point where they started talking about Japanese grass-eaters being the fault of the economy, and I had to stop listening.

      I thought it was an interesting video. The title seems somewhat misleading.
      FEMINISM is a HATE GROUP - Feminists are HATEFUL PEOPLE
      It's time to call it out for what it is.
      == REJECT FEMINISM. EMBRACE HUMANITY ==


      The World of Men - Men's Rights / MGTOW / Sites of Interest to Men
      http://forums.avoiceformen.com/showt...nterest-to-Men

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      • #4
        There's good men out there who aren't shunning marriage, and good men who are shunning it. Think these types of articles make it sound like it's a pandemic. lol

        But, think that marriage is a turn off to many men from what I've read and heard about from friends of mine, because they have much more to lose if the marriage doesn't work out, than a woman does, especially if kids are involved. And given that the majority of divorces are initiated by women, the odds seem stacked up against men.
        Last edited by Deidre; 08-07-2016, 12:13 AM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by mr_e View Post
          I thought it was an interesting video. The title seems somewhat misleading.
          The title and the description also are very misleading, which is a shame because it was a great discussion I thought.

          I'm still stuck on the value of homemaking, I know I'm a broken record mr e but so are you about the deal so we're even and that was the deal, yeah? That women would run the home and men would run the family business. Running the home isn't valued, and you can't wholly blame feminism for that, so if women having so little to offer is the problem, and economics isn't wanted from women, but homemaking and all that entails is what's wanted, how do you make that more attractive/valued, for women to want to do it? I'm not sure just going on strike will do that, maybe, but if so, not for long and the generation after will revert back, and it'll become cyclical.

          Also, the comment was made that "back in the old days women understood men's perspective". Is that true? How so?
          "One doesn't have to operate with great malice to do great harm. The absence of empathy and understanding are sufficient".

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Deidre View Post
            There's good men out there who aren't shunning marriage, and good men who are shunning it. Think these types of articles make it sound like it's a pandemic. lol
            They quoted an article that predicted 25% of millennials wont marry by 50, that's not a pandemic, but certainly very very concerning. Undoubtedly many of those will still become fathers, which is the core of the concern I imagine.
            "One doesn't have to operate with great malice to do great harm. The absence of empathy and understanding are sufficient".

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            • #7
              Originally posted by FlightlessBird View Post
              The title and the description also are very misleading, which is a shame because it was a great discussion I thought.

              I'm still stuck on the value of homemaking, I know I'm a broken record mr e but so are you about the deal so we're even and that was the deal, yeah? That women would run the home and men would run the family business. Running the home isn't valued, and you can't wholly blame feminism for that, so if women having so little to offer is the problem, and economics isn't wanted from women, but homemaking and all that entails is what's wanted, how do you make that more attractive/valued, for women to want to do it? I'm not sure just going on strike will do that, maybe, but if so, not for long and the generation after will revert back, and it'll become cyclical.

              Also, the comment was made that "back in the old days women understood men's perspective". Is that true? How so?
              Valued in what way? If you say it was not valued in the same way as men´s work was valued you may be right, maybe it was valued in different way, and by different people, a good homemaker would probably be valued by her husband and by her female peers, other men may not value her all that much but the question is would she care about that, and in the same way would other women have an opinion on the man and his business, in short different things were valued differently and while woman may not have been valued for being good at male roles neither was a man for being good at women´s roles, people pretty much had their own tasks and were expected to stick to them, as for did women understand men, honestly i doubt it, they had a sort of code of conduct passed on from mother to daughter, code of conduct most likely developed by trial and error, did they really understand why they did things the way they did it, maybe but i think it more likely they simply followed established rules and it worked.
              I sexually identify as a sword pommel, check your privilege or i will have to end you RIGHTLY.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by FlightlessBird View Post
                They quoted an article that predicted 25% of millennials wont marry by 50, that's not a pandemic, but certainly very very concerning. Undoubtedly many of those will still become fathers, which is the core of the concern I imagine.
                Why is it very very concerning? Seems to be more happily single people out there, and happily together couples out there who are in exclusive relationships without marriage, than there are happily married couples. The divorce stats show this, unfortunately.

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                • #9
                  Between work and porn and videogames, that can totally fill a man's life. Work all day, fap to some porn, eat dinner, play videogames, fap again, have a few beers, watch some Kimmel on youtube, more videogames, fap before going to bed. Once in a while if you need the real thing, hook up on Tinder or hire an escort. And that doesn't include other time-consuming activities like lifting, doing shit with friends, etc. Marriage doesn't define a man's life anymore. I'm tellin' ya, Japanese lesbian passionate kissing, fuck man, who needs to be married!? You think a wife is gonna let you watch hot Japanese chicks make out every night?! Fuck dat domestication shit!
                  Stay single and prosper!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Anonymous View Post
                    Valued in what way? If you say it was not valued in the same way as men´s work was valued you may be right, maybe it was valued in different way, and by different people, a good homemaker would probably be valued by her husband and by her female peers, other men may not value her all that much but the question is would she care about that, and in the same way would other women have an opinion on the man and his business, in short different things were valued differently and while woman may not have been valued for being good at male roles neither was a man for being good at women´s roles, people pretty much had their own tasks and were expected to stick to them
                    Im talking the wider picture rather than individuals, I have little doubt wives were valued by their husbands and peers, I don't buy into the "oppression" stuff myself, we women went along with it for too long for that to be true No, I'm reflecting on capitalism, materialism, etc. we value money and stuff above people and virtue, it seems. To me, that was the impetus for women to move into the workplace, and shun everything about traditional femininity.

                    as for did women understand men, honestly i doubt it, they had a sort of code of conduct passed on from mother to daughter, code of conduct most likely developed by trial and error, did they really understand why they did things the way they did it, maybe but i think it more likely they simply followed established rules and it worked.
                    Yeah, that's what I would've said too, the societal "system" as such may have catered for their needs, but did women understand men? I thought that was a bit of an odd statement to make, I'm not sure we ever have or ever will. As a diligent student now for a year in here there's still parts of masculinity I just can't get my head around, they're so foreign to me, I know they exist but I don't *understand* them.
                    Last edited by FlightlessBird; 08-07-2016, 12:50 AM.
                    "One doesn't have to operate with great malice to do great harm. The absence of empathy and understanding are sufficient".

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Deidre View Post
                      Why is it very very concerning? Seems to be more happily single people out there, and happily together couples out there who are in exclusive relationships without marriage, than there are happily married couples. The divorce stats show this, unfortunately.
                      And a whole bunch of unhappy kids, perhaps you missed that I already answered this question? I myself don't really care about whether adults are miserable or happy in their life choices.
                      "One doesn't have to operate with great malice to do great harm. The absence of empathy and understanding are sufficient".

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                      • #12
                        I've been married twice and had a 3rd serious relationship ... none of these women treated me as good as I treated them, the last one loved her money more then me, which actually made me sick to my stomach. I wasted a huge portion of my life on marriage or the thought of a decent female relationship. Now that I went Zeta-Male, I no longer buy into chivalry. I believe women are not creators or givers of life, but rather incubators. I no longer fall prey to their emotional shame or guilt trips. I stopped putting up with their temper tantrums when things did not go their way and after 50-years of being told I am defective simply because I have a penis and testicles I'm like a dog that has been pushed into a corner and beaten on a regular basis, I've had enough, I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore, utter any gynocentric BS and I'm coming out of the corner snarling and biting. So GUESS WHAT, most women see me as an ASSHOLE now, com'on, WTF did you ladies expect ... a hug and a kiss and sweet little words whispered in you ear saying; now now it'll be ok ?

                        Besides ... marriage has always been a narcissistic display of the women, she gets the expensive ring as a symbol of his devotion and love, he gets a cheap $100 band for his finger, she really does not have to invest nor give much to the groom because the wedding is centered around her and she expects it. Nope ... those days are over for most men I know. I do know one man I work with that set the stage right from the beginning, his future wife wanted a big wedding, so they sat down and estimated what it would cost, they came up with a rough cost of somewhere around 15 to 18 thousand dollars, he told her that if she wanted to spend that much money for one day he got to spend the same amount on what ever he wanted, otherwise they could just have a court-house wedding ... according to him she agreed that was a fair concession, I love and respect that man !
                        Last edited by Karlo; 08-07-2016, 02:04 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by FlightlessBird View Post
                          As a diligent student now for a year in here there's still parts of masculinity I just can't get my head around, they're so foreign to me, I know they exist but I don't *understand* them.
                          What parts don't you understand?
                          FEMINISM is a HATE GROUP - Feminists are HATEFUL PEOPLE
                          It's time to call it out for what it is.
                          == REJECT FEMINISM. EMBRACE HUMANITY ==


                          The World of Men - Men's Rights / MGTOW / Sites of Interest to Men
                          http://forums.avoiceformen.com/showt...nterest-to-Men

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Karlo View Post
                            I've been married twice and had a 3rd serious relationship ... none of these women treated me as good as I treated them, the last one loved her money more then me, which actually made me sick to my stomach. I wasted a huge portion of my life on marriage or the thought of a decent female relationship. Now that I went Zeta-Male, I no longer buy into chivalry. I believe women are not creators or givers of life, but rather incubators. I no longer fall prey to their emotional shame or guilt trips. I stopped putting up with their temper tantrums when things did not go their way and after 50-years of being told I am defective simply because I have a penis and testicles I'm like a dog that has been pushed into a corner and beaten on a regular basis, I've had enough, I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore, utter any gynocentric BS and I'm coming out of the corner snarling and biting. So GUESS WHAT, most women see me as an ASSHOLE now, com'on, WTF did you ladies expect ... a hug and a kiss and sweet little words whispered in you ear saying; now now it'll be ok ?
                            Anger and frustration is part of the journey, man. Once you reach Zero Fucks you reach Zen and then you can finally enjoy women for what they are, the second sex, created for your pleasure, to be discarded once their drama simply becomes more shit than its worth. I know, it's hard to be an asshole when it doesn't come naturally, but with discipline and hard work, it can be achieved. Take solace in the fact that you aren't one of these idiots: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...nsive_divorces


                            Be strong and keep the faith!



                            If I could get away with wearing a red beret and matching red shoes I would, but being a 50 year old fat fuck, maybe not so much.
                            Last edited by oldblueeyes; 08-07-2016, 02:19 AM.
                            Stay single and prosper!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by mr_e View Post
                              What parts don't you understand?
                              The comment before and after yours? Lol.

                              Idk, lots of things, big things, little things. Like someone recently telling me that men always view women on a scale of their sexual appeal, like the successful contractor trying to encourage me to go contracting to avoid the parts of my work I don't like and do the parts I do, who couldn't understand my inherent fear of that risk, for he doesn't have that fear, despite us being both primary providers. It's the same risk, yet we can't understand each other's view of it. They're just two examples (or 4 including the others comments, if true). Whilst I accept these differences exist, I can't say I totally understand them, they're Greek to my English. And could I accept them enough to change me? I don't think so, I'd be changing my inherent nature.
                              "One doesn't have to operate with great malice to do great harm. The absence of empathy and understanding are sufficient".

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