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    Bringing new Redirect Method features to YouTube, Thursday, July 20, 2017:
    A month ago, we told you about four new steps we’re taking to combat terrorist content on YouTube. One of our core areas of focus is more work to counter online violent extremism. As a first step we’re now rolling out features from Jigsaw’s Redirect Method on YouTube.
    Over the past years, Jigsaw partnered with Moonshot CVE to conduct extensive research to understand how extremist groups leverage technology to spread their message and recruit new members. From there, they created the Redirect Method, which uses curated video content to redirect people away from violent extremist propaganda and steer them toward video content that confronts extremist messages and debunks its mythology. Today, YouTube is rolling out a feature using the model proven by the Redirect Method: when people search for certain keywords on YouTube, we will display a playlist of videos debunking violent extremist recruiting narratives.
    We all oppose terrorism and promoting violence and illegal acts. But let's face it, already far too much that is done for our safety, ends up used to control us. Youtube, Google etc are go to places to find out about something. Including trying to see the direct statements of those you oppose or even detest. Freedom of speech and no censorship perform a vital function in defeating extremist views, even more so than they allow them to propagate.

    Those who are anti-censorship are opposed to the views that breed into extremism, and would rather debate against them whilst people can still be reached. Partly this possibly well meaning idea from Youtube is kinda saying that but if you recall the Chicago Torture Incident when four black youths, two males and two females kidnapped and tortured a mentally impaired white boy. They streamed that themselves onto facebook, where it was noticed, went viral and ultimately played an important role in getting the boy help and arresting the perpetrators. However Facebook pulled that video asap, as did youtube pull videos criticising the perpetrators when it contained that content. It was shocking content, but it wasn't pulled because of the extremity of violence against the boy, who was punched, cut, burned with cigarettes and threatened into committing degrading acts. They weren't concerned with his pain, they kneejerked to censorship as they wanted to protect the identity group of the perpetrators - they assumed on behalf of the rest of the human race, that demands for justice were not as important as their fear of closet racism.

    Is there anyone here who really doubts that those 2 young men and 2 young women would have gotten away with it without the reaction of the internet. Further still the 4 perpetrators were charged with hate crimes for committing a hate crime, but even with the stark evidence, many media sources were trying to say it wasn't. There is practically no doubt the incident would have been quietly hushed, the perpetrators would have entirely got away with it, or just got charged with assault if they were caught. The entire disgusting nature of a violent hate crime against a vulnerable boy would have been quietly hidden.

    Youtube has become a popular platform for anti-feminist and manosphere content, including a notable amount of MHRA content. Because of the quantity of content and popularity, the algorithms do tend to put this content visible when someone types in 'feminism'. This isn't the result of a deliberate planned act by MHRM, it doesn't have the reach or even remote possibility, it is from the associations from the discussion, comments, shares, likes etc. Feminists loathe youtube because they got there too late to control it, and because youtube has a financial dependence on it's content creators unlike facebook and twitter, youtube was slow to react to their demands. Though since they complained youtube have carried out many forms of censorship, including hair trigger T&C violations, account removals, removing from trending, setting to private, removing confirmed status and demonetisation. Would it be a surprise now if they took the search term men's rights and funnelled that to feminist content. The effect manosphere and anti-feminist content creators achieved wasn't to block access to feminist content but to have other content talking about the subject from a different perspective mixed up with content from a pro feminist perspective. Ultimately letting the viewer choose what they want to listen to, including a spread of views from which they could make their own balanced decision. To me it looks like this will end soon. It's a shame youtube has been good for free speech, and that free speech has been an important part of challenging what's been going on.

    Here Eli The Computer Guy - a channel that used to be about IT questions talks about this issue (another interesting outcome is the emergence of established content makers from other subject areas who are weighing in on these issues.)
    Last edited by voidspawn; 07-23-2017, 01:13 PM.
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    It is disturbing that a small group of people, browbeaten by the PC brigade, are now deciding what we should see and read. Anything that goes against their views is banned. Society evolves through change, which sometimes challenges accepted views. Under these laws feminism and anti-racism would have been banned when they first arose.

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    • #3
      This will absolutely be used in the future to steer people away from "undesirable" viewpoints toward whatever the "accepted" ones are.....if it hasn't already.

      One of the great things about the way youtube has been sorting recommendations is a result of how people are using it, but it works If an MHRA or MGTOW person makes a video refuting the content of some feminist or feminist ally video, then it mixes the two types of content together. That makes it easy for people to see both sides of the argument and make up their own minds.

      But the dominant culture appears to have decided that it has made up it's mind, and therefore everyone should simply accept their decision without question. Fascists.
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        Originally posted by Mifune View Post
        This will absolutely be used in the future to steer people away from "undesirable" viewpoints toward whatever the "accepted" ones are.....if it hasn't already.

        One of the great things about the way youtube has been sorting recommendations is a result of how people are using it, but it works If an MHRA or MGTOW person makes a video refuting the content of some feminist or feminist ally video, then it mixes the two types of content together. That makes it easy for people to see both sides of the argument and make up their own minds.

        But the dominant culture appears to have decided that it has made up it's mind, and therefore everyone should simply accept their decision without question. Fascists.

        It is already happening. Patreon, for example, has removed Lauren Southern's account with an extremely bogus and flimsy excuse.

        Lauren Southern: Patreon Banned My Account

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