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  • Unmasking the leftist Antifa movement

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us...eft/index.html

    Despite the name of the piece, it's a CNN piece without any condemnation of their violent methods that 100% panders to their delusion that they are fighting fascists.

    It's an interesting read that is thorough but not balanced, yet from Antifa members self descriptions you can see a picture of this Facebook networked organisations ability to groupthink themselves into a self excusing fantasy whereby anything goes.

    They see themselves as products of a broken system, but can't actually connect dots closer to home and their lives. It's a huge macro system they reject and hate, but for some reason all things bad are secret fascists everywhere that must be hunted down. Sounds a lot like the far right extremists who think there are secret covens of jewish people everywhere ruining their lives.

    It's kinda very sad and depressing, seeing this messed up outcome of society's failures. But these young people are million miles away from realizing what might actually help them, there's this game, this feeling of power and purpose they want to play, and there's being useful idiots to CNN and corporate agendas.
    "...especially when it comes to communication, it can be observed, if it is not a negotiation it's a war."
    Originally posted by menrppl2
    Can't live with em, life is great without them.

  • #2
    Originally posted by voidspawn View Post
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    A long and venerable tradition ...

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sponti
    (The English page covers a different subject.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autono...970s_and_1980s

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion

    There's something called the Transatlantifa ( https://de-de.facebook.com/transatlantifa.nwo/ )
    which is hard to peg down, they attack anti-fascists who are not anti-fascist enough ....

    But there seems to be plenty of connections.

    M

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Manalysis View Post
      A long and venerable tradition ...

      https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sponti
      (The English page covers a different subject.)

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autono...970s_and_1980s

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion

      There's something called the Transatlantifa ( https://de-de.facebook.com/transatlantifa.nwo/ )
      which is hard to peg down, they attack anti-fascists who are not anti-fascist enough ....

      But there seems to be plenty of connections.

      M
      Germany, I believe, has some of the most strict anti-fascist laws going. Admittedly not in 1932 though. However in modern Germany one would imagine anti-fascism falls under the police's remit. AFA Germany seems a bit like setting up an Animal Liberation Front in a wheat field. The wiki page also highlights Sweden, then the USA. Well we know of some of the problems of USA, these have been well highlighted recently. But I'd still say in reality, Sweden and the USA would be some of the most anti-fascist / never fascist nations on the planet.

      In 1932 Germany one can see the issue, but being before Hitler would it have been more about anti dictatorship? Certainly when I was young Dictatorship was more often talked about than Nazi's. National Socialists just being one route to dictatorships.

      Aside from possibilities of political concerns or fears, how feasible is an explanation of disaffected young thrill seeking or wanting some ultimate act of rebellion or to live some RL Star Wars fantasy? 1932 Germany, real dangers of dictatorships and aristocracies and monarchy also deep concerns. UK despite still being a monarchy had plenty of issues with its kings and queens over the same period, and went through quite a few, before importing some nice safe neutered ones from Germany to complete the national heritage tourist props, and wheel out so we sing can one of the most banal national anthems going... well at least it has easy words you can mumble along with.
      "...especially when it comes to communication, it can be observed, if it is not a negotiation it's a war."
      Originally posted by menrppl2
      Can't live with em, life is great without them.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by voidspawn View Post
        Germany, I believe, has some of the most strict anti-fascist laws going.
        Yes and no. They have very strict laws on anything invoking the Nazi era, down to prosecuting tourists who take fun "Hitler-greeting" selfies in Berlin.
        But there is no anti-fascist law they can use against Pegida, AfD, etc.
        And while the Crazy Left is using street violence tactics, that behaviour is not "fascist" in the eyes of their laws.

        Sweden .... would be some of the most anti-fascist / never fascist nations on the planet.
        Not so. Sweden has a long tradition of being German-oriented and -friendly, down to obeying the Nazis during WWII.
        They needed to sell their iron ore to someone, see? Used to be lots of pro-nazis in e.g. the military, and the Old Tycoon gang (including the owner of IKEA, btw).

        In 1932 Germany one can see the issue, but being before Hitler would it have been more about anti dictatorship?
        Yes, but the usual suspects were reactionary royalists, and such. Bringing back the Kaiser, and other terrors.

        Aside from possibilities of political concerns or fears, how feasible is an explanation of disaffected young thrill seeking or wanting some ultimate act of rebellion or to live some RL Star Wars fantasy?
        I think that is the main reason for all the rabble in the street. Few grown-ups with responsibilities.

        UK despite still being a monarchy had plenty of issues with its kings and queens over the same period, and went through quite a few, before importing some nice safe neutered ones from Germany to ....
        ... serve as figureheads will those with real power ran the ship.

        M

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        • #5
          Originally posted by voidspawn View Post
          USA would be some of the most anti-fascist / never fascist nations on the planet.
          Exactly. The whole notion of Hitler-like fascism is wildly misapplied - the circumstances are too different.
          That said, there are probably an endless number of ways to screw up a country; so my bet is one something completely novel.

          M

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