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  • terrifiedman
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    Originally posted by mrkms
    You have the choice to say no.

    No you may not have my genetic material.

    No you may not be responsible for birth-control.

    No you may not have sex with me without MY condom.

    No you may not dispose of my used condom - that is MY JOB ONLY.

    As men we DO HAVE REPRODUCTION CHOICES. I think we men have undervalued our genetic material, to a mere orgasm. We compare our position to that of women - oh, poor us, we have no pill to take, only vasectomies for us! Oh, poor us, we are so desperate for sex, we will forcibly have to forego our rights!

    The pill gave women all rights and no responsibilities, and another tool they can use to manipulate men unawares. Is that what we want? All rights and no responsibilities? Take a pill and no problem, everything is back to fair and equal?

    I, for one, do not like that kind of logic - female logic.

    Just use the rights that you already have - say no.
    I agree with most of what you said, except of course it's not realistic. Men and women both make mistakes and have lapses in judgement.

    The issue isn't that men don't have the right to say no, we always have. So have women. The issue is that when women make the same misjudgement that a man makes the world rises up to help. The man is simply at the mercy of her whims at that point.

    That's the double standard. If the woman is able to say' I don't want this kid, I'll Abort.' Society tells her thats a great choice because it wouldn't be responsible to bring a child into the world if you're not ready. If she says 'I'll have the child but I'll adopt it to a willing family.' Society says it's great again because there is always someone out there who would love a child but can't have one of their own. If she decides to have and keep the child society tells her she's brave and wonderful for being a mother. In each case the woman gets a hardy pat on the back when really all she did was open her legs for someone and accidentally got pregnant.

    The men on the other hand have NO say. We could be in the exact same position as a woman. Too immature or not ready to be a parent. It doesn't matter in our case. In each decision she makes the same people lauding her are admonishing us. We as men were wrong to get her pregnant. Because we did this horrible thing we are now required by society and law to be responsible for this child for the the rest of our lives.

    To simply tell men to just say no isn't going to solve anything. The way to solve the problem is allow men equal rights to the mother to decide if we wish to be responsible for this mistake for the rest of our lives. If men were given the option to vacate any parental rights or responsibility like a woman, I believe that women would be able to make a more informed decision about their choice.

    I am a father of two beautiful children. My wife and I spoke at length about having children and how it would effect our lives before we even started trying to have kids. That's how it should be. Both adults consenting to the life they have opted to bring into the world.

    IMHO.

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  • Sir
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    There is an easy way that men can GUARANTEE they will not have children..

    All these men who moan about how they were "tricked" into having kids.. What fools.. They should have known women CANNOT BE TRUSTED with Cuntraception..

    The other side of the equation..

    How can men HAVE children?

    Is far more problematic..

    First, one needs a consenting breedsow..

    Women really have 99% of the power in this area of life.. And everything a man does regarding it, has to bear that fact in mind..

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  • ubermensch
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    The answer, as usual, is prostitution.

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  • mrkms
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    You have the choice to say no.

    No you may not have my genetic material.

    No you may not be responsible for birth-control.

    No you may not have sex with me without MY condom.

    No you may not dispose of my used condom - that is MY JOB ONLY.

    As men we DO HAVE REPRODUCTION CHOICES. I think we men have undervalued our genetic material, to a mere orgasm. We compare our position to that of women - oh, poor us, we have no pill to take, only vasectomies for us! Oh, poor us, we are so desperate for sex, we will forcibly have to forego our rights!

    The pill gave women all rights and no responsibilities, and another tool they can use to manipulate men unawares. Is that what we want? All rights and no responsibilities? Take a pill and no problem, everything is back to fair and equal?

    I, for one, do not like that kind of logic - female logic.

    Just use the rights that you already have - say no.

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  • Dominick Destine
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    Originally posted by Troll
    A man's reproductive choice today is basically choosing which vagina to put his penis in, some times.

    After that comes voluntary or forcible expropriation of wealth from man to woman.

    That is wrong.
    That's an immaculate and bloodless way of putting it.

    I hope the male pill is near.

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  • Aimee McGee
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    Originally posted by Troll
    A man's reproductive choice today is basically choosing which vagina to put his penis in, some times.

    After that comes voluntary or forcible expropriation of wealth from man to woman.

    That is wrong.
    SO is post-vasectomy and getting the count checked this week.

    We had a really interesting talk about vasalgel...he like so many men had the choice of having children made unilaterally in his first marriage. He loves his daughters and does not regret them, but you could see he was stunned at the idea of real reproductive choice.

    We are too old for all that...but I can imagine how positive this kind of choice process would have been for us as a couple.

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  • Zerbu
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    The "some times" is all too right. A man can't have much choice without being shamed, and even then, I've heard of men being falsely accused of rape, or some other sexual crime, for refusing to have sex. I'd say what the accuser is a sexual crime.

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  • Troll
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    Reproductive choice for men summarized

    A man's reproductive choice today is basically choosing which vagina to put his penis in, some times.

    After that comes voluntary or forcible expropriation of wealth from man to woman.

    That is wrong.
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