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  • MGTOW The quest for the "Golden NAWALT"

    As I'm sure you all know what NAWALT means. I know that not all women are gold digging narcissists that will destroy you on a whim. I mean it's just the simple fact that millions of women live in the U.S. alone so it would be impossible that there wouldn't be any out there. Add to the fact that I live in the San Francisco one of the most populated areas in Northern California short of Sacramento. Yet despite all of this I feel like I'm looking for a needle in a stack of needles to put it bluntly.

    Minus the metaphors I really do have a need to be fully MGTOW, but I still want to hang onto the idea that there's a woman out there that can be a true partner to me. I know that it is not only a difficult, but dangerous endeavor due to the fact that many women can pretend quite well to be a NAWALT. I know you guys can give me short answers of duuh and what did you expect. I just keep seeing many older MRA's and MGTOW's that are still married or dating and hell the Honey Badgers alone should give me hope.

    To clarify I'm not looking to have sex as a primary goal. Many women will spread their legs with the right moves to the point that even PUA's almost seem like a dying breed. I want a woman that really cares about me and can be a true partner in my life. That will accept me for who I am not what I can do for them. Btw many blue pill men have turned out the same way being "drinking" pals or "Work" pals, but rarely a true friend that won't throw you under the bus at a females whim.

    I mean am I really being to naive or too wishful? I really want advice, because it would be possible for me to give up the quest entirely. Hope can be tricky like that it can be constructive and push us forward or hold us back. Thanks for reading guy's

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    Hi friend, I advise caution, the happily married MRAs that you mentioned are of a different generation with different values. I admit that the NAWALT is possible, but with so many people pretending to be this, if you search for the correct characteristics, you will probably end up with something you don't want in the long run.

    As for the Honeybadgers, lately I am seeing a lot of women pretend to be one (similar to the Women against Feminism), but will still be more than happy to manipulate you in the long run.

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    • #3
      Partnerships are also risky, but that is not because there is no possibility of reward or no hope in even trying. You're not naïve... you know the risk and its up to you to decide of your next partner is worth it or not. Marriage is the biggest legal risk, next to false rape claims. As an educated MRA/MGTOW you should have a pretty good idea what signs to look for and what questions to ask to help you sort out the good from the bad.

      My wife, 19 years, 2 kids, is a NAWALT. She is not afraid of getting her hands dirty, she does heavy lifting, and she doesn't put up with my shit when I get lazy. She has no time to pretend or play games, and whatever gynocentriccrap that sometimes pops up... I don't put up with her shit either and call out the victim-cards as they get pulled.

      You can't eliminate the risk. But if you want to keep looking then keep looking. Just be smart, patient and be weary of traps.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by jaydizzl33 View Post
        As I'm sure you all know what NAWALT means. I know that not all women are gold digging narcissists that will destroy you on a whim. I mean it's just the simple fact that millions of women live in the U.S. alone so it would be impossible that there wouldn't be any out there. Add to the fact that I live in the San Francisco one of the most populated areas in Northern California short of Sacramento. Yet despite all of this I feel like I'm looking for a needle in a stack of needles to put it bluntly.
        You are asking the wrong questions. Female nature is what it is. All women are 'like that'.

        That isn't to say that all women are 'bad', but rather that all women are women. If you are looking for a women that doesn't think and process and act like a woman you won't ever ever find one.

        Female nature is what it is. You need to make peace with that. Once you understand female nature well enough to ensure it works to your advantage you won't lament the fact that all women are 'like that' you'll embrace it.

        You'll thank god that the train you know is coming is never ever late.

        Originally posted by jaydizzl33 View Post
        Minus the metaphors I really do have a need to be fully MGTOW, but I still want to hang onto the idea that there's a woman out there that can be a true partner to me. I know that it is not only a difficult, but dangerous endeavor due to the fact that many women can pretend quite well to be a NAWALT. I know you guys can give me short answers of
        duuh and what did you expect. I just keep seeing many older MRA's and MGTOW's that are still married or dating and hell the Honey Badgers alone should give me hope.
        Playing with women is like playing with fire.

        If you want to do it you need to commit your time and your energy to understanding the properties of fire the behaviours of fire and you need to understand how to handle fire. And all that understanding will ever give you is the illusion of control. And the ablity to direct that fire to meet your needs. It won't change the fire.

        It will always be fire.

        And the society we live in is soaked in gas.

        Many celibate MGTOW understand the game enough to make a choice not to commit their time and energy to figuring it out. In short they know they don't know and would rather go fishing. Power to them.

        But to assume that you can find a special little NAWALT that you won't have to LEARN or PLAY the game with that you can let your guard down with that will be your friend and partner and support you through thick and think is the FATAL error that most men make. Don't be that guy.

        If you think understanding female nature and gaining control over your romantic interactions as a result is about a handful of pua tricks that'll get some drunken fool to grant you access to her pussy you are mistaken.

        You have to KEEP learning and KEEP playing. She never stops playing the game and if you want in niether must you. She never stops testing with chores and favors, she never stops evaluating your fluctuating viablity as an asset, she never stops keeping spare irons in the fire in case you suffer a sudden decline or 'change in circumstances' that cauases you to have outlived your usefulness and warrents your replacement.

        Originally posted by jaydizzl33 View Post
        To clarify I'm not looking to have sex as a primary goal. Many women will spread their legs with the right moves to the point that even PUA's almost seem like a dying breed. I want a woman that really cares about me and can be a true partner in my life. That will accept me for who I am not what I can do for them. Btw many blue pill men have turned out the same way being "drinking" pals or "Work" pals, but rarely a true friend that won't throw you under the bus at a females whim.

        I mean am I really being to naive or too wishful? I really want advice, because it would be possible for me to give up the quest entirely. Hope can be tricky like that it can be constructive and push us forward or hold us back. Thanks for reading guy's
        You can be useful to a woman for as long as you are nessessary. Accept the reality of your own disposablity. Never fight it. Never resent it. Know that anytime you are in an interaction with any woman that's because you are in possession of something she wants and needs. Now that might be money...or it might be the sort of tooth-rattling fuck she doesn't get from the sap who pays her bills...but make no mistake your seat at the table should you have one is earned because of and conditional upon your USEFULNESS to her.

        If you want friends and companions and people in whom you can trust totally to have the same sense of justice, logic and reason that you do look to men. Not because women don't have a sense of justice or are incapable of reason...it's just that they don't have a sense of justice or a type of reason that makes sense to most men. They don't have a sense of justice or reason that exists to achieve the same objectives a man's does.
        Last edited by Maxx; 09-04-2014, 10:00 PM.
        "Being a cunt doesn't make you wrong." ComradePrescott

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        • #5
          Originally posted by jaydizzl33 View Post
          I mean am I really being to naive or too wishful? I really want advice, because it would be possible for me to give up the quest entirely. Hope can be tricky like that it can be constructive and push us forward or hold us back. Thanks for reading guy's
          I remember bringing up the issue of circumcision based on the evidence as I saw it on The Red Pill subreddit, and there was a large, negative emotional response in regards to my post. I've recently finished the book The Rational Male by Rollo Tomassi and I remember how anti-climactic the ending was, despite being a good book, and how contextually that ending spoke of what might be the most disposable aspect of boys and men, which is their emotion.

          I keep seeking evidence-based truth and seem to find so many negative and dark aspects of doing so that "responsible alcoholism" doesn't seem to be any kind of enemy in regards to my own life. I'm not saying I'm subject to bias in believing in AWALT, or that I couldn't be wrong in some way, but I'm starting to find that giving out the truth or realistic advice has no upside when its possibly as inherently destructive as the lie, and I have to take into the account the possibility that any darker truth might be as inherently destructive as the popular lies holding back its discovery.

          The dark truths of circumcision and the dark truth of the female sexual imperative in relation to its dehumanization of men, share parallels in that even if most men accept the facts as men like me see them, they might be driven over the edge in some way, and someone interested enough in human behavior will see it. So I suppose the only advice I can give on wanting to believe in NAWALT is to just take whatever direction or belief suits your needs, finding a balance between happiness and survival, and hope your chosen stance destroys you the slowest.
          Last edited by Class-Punk; 09-05-2014, 03:00 PM.

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          • #6
            @ jaydizzl33

            I am curious about your quest for the 'golden NAWALT'. Assuming that you've read some of the horror stories from the divorced guys, did you consider that each of them likely had the same hopes as you and probably thought that they had indeed found their own 'golden NAWALT'?

            Why do think your luck will be any different? Do you have some special secret ability or knowledge that you believe will save you from the same fate???
            Last edited by Autolite; 09-05-2014, 04:53 PM.
            "The truth is sometimes a poor competitor in the market of ideas" George F. Kennan

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            • #7
              Because he isnt doomed to the same fate. You dont need to be special to find what you are looking for. What it takes is caution, patients, honesty and research. Go where the kind of women are that have potential. Where are women unusual? I find the gaming table a good place to start; but still, proceed with caution. Ask her friends of both genders about her, do research and never ignore warning signs. Look at facebook, what she reads, listens to, studies. See how she responds to and answers questions, simple and profound. Look for patterns, see what they mean. Note trends to certain stimuli and what causes them. Women often can note these quickly and instictually, hence our social adaptability, but with practise, you can learn this analytical skill. The others are right, you must be careful, but it can be done. If you want tips on body language and "girl code", PM me if there is something in particular you need help reading. We are out there but we arent common...rare foil and in some cases, legendary foil. Gasp.
              "Not all with tits are twisted." -Me

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              • #8
                @ KikiSpagetti

                You seem to be implying that most of the fellas on this forum who've been burned in a divorce hadn't used any of the tactics you've suggested. I suspect that many of them did and got screwed anyway.

                The point being is that many, if not most, women have deceptive counter measures to defeat everything you've recommended so it can be nearly impossible to tell the difference between the true 'golden NAWALT' and all the rest. Despite your encouragement, it just isn't anywhere near worth the risk.

                @ jaydizzl33

                Of course it's up to you reference whose advice you will choose to follow. In any case jaydizzl33, YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!
                Last edited by Autolite; 09-05-2014, 08:45 PM.
                "The truth is sometimes a poor competitor in the market of ideas" George F. Kennan

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                • #9
                  Go gay!

                  Widen the circle of your friends!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by numbCruncher View Post
                    Go gay!

                    Widen the circle of your friends!
                    I guess that might be an option. As a hetero MGTOW many people will assume that you're gay anyway...
                    "The truth is sometimes a poor competitor in the market of ideas" George F. Kennan

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Autolite View Post
                      @ KikiSpagetti

                      You seem to be implying that most of the fellas on this forum who've been burned in a divorce hadn't used any of tactics you've suggested. I suspect that many of them did and got screwed anyway.

                      The point being is that many, if not most, women have deceptive counter measures to defeat everything you've recommended so it can be nearly impossible to tell the difference between the true 'golden NAWALT' and all the rest. Despite your encouragement, it just isn't anywhere near worth the risk.
                      I guess it depends on what it is he thinks is worth more; his guaranteed safety in this regard or a high risk with a potential payout that he desires. There are also subtle ways you can pick out the NAWALT from the rest, as they say, it takes fire to fight fire. Hence my suggestion that I may be able to assist. MAY, as observation firsthand of body language, tone and expression is key...but again, the risk is high.
                      "Not all with tits are twisted." -Me

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by KikiSpaghetti View Post
                        I guess it depends on what it is he thinks is worth more; his guaranteed safety in this regard or a high risk with a potential payout that he desires. There are also subtle ways you can pick out the NAWALT from the rest, as they say, it takes fire to fight fire. Hence my suggestion that I may be able to assist. MAY, as observation firsthand of body language, tone and expression is key...but again, the risk is high.
                        Indeed the risk is high. IMHO too high when you consider that the best 'potential payout' might be nothing more than he gets to keep everything that he already owns...
                        "The truth is sometimes a poor competitor in the market of ideas" George F. Kennan

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                        • #13
                          jaydizzl33 their may be a true golden NAWALT out their. However if I was betting on it, my money would be on you going through AWALT after AWALT with high risk for a DV charge, rape charge and God help you if you marry an AWALT by mistake. Take an honest inventory of yourself and figure out what is important to you. Ask yourself what you hope to get by finding that golden NAWALT? Consider all the risks involved in that search. Ask yourself why you feel the need to risk everything including your freedom (yes you can go to prison in this search) to find that NAWALT? Now let's say you have answered all of that, you know that you want that golden NAWALT for other reasons aside from sex that you feel you cannot get with friends or by adopting a dog. The next question you need to ask yourself is "Will she still be a golden NAWALT tomrrow"? If you can honestly answer that question with 100% accuracy then please let me know as soon as possible. You and I will be best friends and I will take you to Las Vegas, the race track because if you can predict that then we can become rich together, yes you will be my new best friend.

                          KikiSpaghetti, women are master manipulators and what you see is not what you get. Through out my whole life I had to be able to read people and predict their actions ahead of time, simply put it was survival for me. I can read most people pretty damn good, however I will never say that about a woman. The woman that I was married to was someone that I did spend a lot of time investigating and watching her actions. I actually dated her for over 3 years before getting married. At the time I was certain that I could predict her actions before she even thought of taking an action. What I did not think of at the time was that people change and not always for the better. Not too long after being married I was suspicious that she had cheated on me. Some time after that I was the victim of domestic violence and almost arrested over it. Much later my suspicions were confirmed that she had cheated on me early on in the marriage and had continued any chance she got years later. So people, including women do change and it is not always for the better. In today's world when a woman does things like this they do not get held accountable for their actions. Instead they are rewarded for doing this in the forms of alimony and child support. Their is nothing anymore that will encourage a woman to remain honest and loyal to her man.

                          Now some men may believe that there are women left out in the world that are worth it. However any man that can actually think it all the way through will realize that even if their is an NAWALT out their, it is simply not worth the risk searching for her. I know that women believe that when a man get's a hard on he is no longer able to think due to lack of blood in the brain. However women have over played their hand to the point that men everywhere are waking up to that fact that something is wrong. You may think what you want about us MGTOW's being locked up in our mom's basement plotting revenge on women while beating off to porn. What you fail to realize is that MGTOW's are just out living life the way that they chose to live it. They do this without the pressures, worries and troubles that come from having a relationship with a woman. When a woman tries to shame us we laugh at them. When a woman tries to tell us that the right woman will come alone, we laugh to the point our ribs hurt. When a woman tells us not to give up on love, we say we didn't give up on love. We love many other things and activities that we do. However most important thing is that we love ourselves enough not to allow a woman use or mistreat us again. So a MGTOW is not a MGTOW out of anger, or fear. A man becomes a MGTOW because he loves and respects himself far beyond what any woman is able to do. I can say this because judging by most women's actions they have no love or respect for themselves.
                          Not a prisoner I'm a free man
                          And my blood is my own now
                          Don't care where the past was
                          I know where I'm going ...out!

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                          • #14
                            Around about the same time I became a MGTOW I was getting interested in philosophy and libertarianism from both a philosophical, moral and political standpoint. I watch a lot of Stefan Molyneux's videos and one thing that came up over and over is this notion of virtue, what is virtuous and if that virtue is something that is merely inherited or taught directly and simply accepted as truth, or is that derived from more basic moral principles.

                            What I've come to understand is that the vast majority of people simply aren't principled, that's why we have the welfare state that largely robs working men and distributes to everyone else, disproportionately more to women and children than back to men. A principled person that for example held principles that force against other people is wrong (Non Aggression Principle) would know that women robbing men through the proxy violence of the state is immoral.

                            I dawned on me this fits in well to MGTOW, what Red Pill men really want is someone who is principled, who has risen above the bonds of our biology and tackles the world intellectually, just like women expect men to resist our biological urge to shove our dicks into as many attractive female partners as possible, men equally want women to resist their hypergamy, their urge to trade up should a better or more suited partner present themselves.

                            Since working this out I've kept my eye open for other virtuous and principled people, I don't see it very often in men or women, certainly I would expect a potential partner to be a libertarian, if they support the violence of the state then they support putting a gun to my head in order to extract my resources, and if they support that then what reason do I have to believe she won't exercise that power during a potential future divorce or proceedings in family court over children?

                            Libertarianism is way more common among men than women sadly, women tend to benefit more from the welfare state so it makes sense for more of them to back that, but to compound issues libertarianism is pretty rare anyway, it's a growing movement but it's still very young. It really does make these women needles in a stack of needles, or as MGTOWs often put it - unicorns. The issue is not just one of finding a unicorn but then also competing against the disproportionately large amount of men who desire her.

                            Do the math and you realize it's not worth it, if you happen across such a women and she displays interest then great but actively pursuing it? Nah, not worth the effort IMHO.

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                            • #15
                              Golden NAWALT?

                              My girlfriend of 7 years has Aspergers, and is quite different to the average female. No typical manipulation (since she is both totally inept at it and has no desire to do so). No typical hypergamous drives - she prefers loyalty rather than looking for a shinier toy. No attraction to stereotypical alpha male traits - she prefers someone kind and caring. No sexual repulsion, contempt or hostility if I display weakness or vulnerability. She's happy to work and isn't looking for a man as a wallet, no gold-digger characteristics. No obsession with image - what you see is what you get.

                              I've had a few prejudiced, bigoted fucks tell me to ditch her for someone "normal". No thanks. I suppose that would be an example of a "golden NAWALT".


                              As for the AWALT vs NAWALT, well, here is something interesting. Now you hear most feminists claim that stating AWALT about negative female traits is misogynistic. Well, a histrionic cunt (a term she claims as a badge of honor) I've had the misfortune to meet online - that is, with full-blown Histrionic Personality Disorder, in addition to being a devotee of Anton LaVey's "Satanic Witch" (what a combo) - claimed that her HPD is actually a bullshit diagnosis, because AWALT. Yes, she actually claimed that all women have the exact same cunty traits as her as a way to normalise her own disordered personality, by claiming all women are basically the same. She also accused me of being a misogynist.

                              To which, a good comeback would be - no, actually NAWALT, in this case - I don't hate all women, just cunts like you who represent the very worst, bottom-of-the-barrel, scum of the female race. I dig how Paul Elam said that such personality disorders are just a medicalised euphemism for "having a bad character", or, in other words, "being an asshole". Ironically, since she claims to be a feminist (albeit quite a funny kind), in her generalised views of her own gender she is far more like a misogynist. Which also raises issues of projection.


                              So, to contrast my girlfriend with this bitch, that would roughly be two opposite ends of the spectrum of women, in my experience. The good and the bad. They are hardly all the same. It is funny though how the worst of them do tend to think the rest are just as bad as them, in an exercise in excuse-making...

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