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  • ¿What can we do against Feminist thought? Some ideas...

    This posts exists in two parts, the first is ''The Situation'', and the second is ''The Solution'', both can be read independently.

    The Situation

    Let me start my post with how Feminism has evolved itself.

    First-Wave Feminism:

    It started as a movement that mostly existed out of two (2) types of people, those that were genuinely pro-female advocates that only wanted rights for women and were openly misandrists, and those tricked into believing it was a civil rights movement for underprivileged women, it was a product more of the zeitgeist than anything else, after women got the vote in most countries the organisations that organised these protests slowly began to fade away during the Interbellum period.

    Second- & Third-Wave Feminism:

    The organisations of the first wave of Feminism have all largely been abolished, and during the 1960's and 1970's new Feminist ''scholars'' started to pop-up, they came from everywhere, these Feminists were building bastions, thus as Feminism evolved over the mid- to late-20th century and early 21st century bastions began to form, bastions impenetrable, skyscrapers filled with thousands of echo-chambers, where every Feminist has a million lives, and these bastions were the different ''denominations'' of Feminism, their hypotheses are all incompatible with each other, thus these bastions rarely interact, but they all cover the Jupiter-sized planet called ''Misandry'', these bastions all armed to the every last grain of sand and stone, armed with Feminist thought, rhetoric, and worst of all anti-male sentiment, around this planet of Misandry few satellites roamed, these were the anti-misandric Feminists like Hoff-Sommers, though even if they would come crashing in with meteor hails, the bastions would never scathe, indestructible these emotion-cracies are immune to any criticism, for all ''unholy'' thought that would penetrate would immediately fall victim to its echo-chambers, over the years no bastion would fall and only more would be created, a megapolis that covered this planet called Misandry, new bastions were ''green-Feminism'' or ''Eco-Feminism'', ''Islamist-Feminism'', and ''Atheist-Feminism'' as Feminism continues to evolve into a mental virus with a 100% infection rate of any other ideology, new bastions have popped up as ''Feminist/Social(ly) justice gaming journalism'', ''Feminist Conservatism'', ''Feminist Marxism'', and ''Feminist [whatever]'', the problem with these bastions is that they're unbreakable, but in the end they're not our enemy.

    As the 21st century came the planet Misandry got caught in the World Wide Web, as almost all aspects of human thought and philosophy have completely moved to the internet, Feminism has managed to thrive, it's Bastions on the now-caught-in-the-web planet of Misandry started sending out foot-soldiers creating new Bastions in the ''unexplored sectors of the internet'', many of them we are familiar with such as Jezebel, and with every new website they got their own large sections (such as Women's Rights News on the Facebook), its expansion was unprecedented, every bastion is a continuous factory of websites with hate-filled content, though most websites lack comment sections, those that don't heavily moderate them and banish all thought that dares go against their... religion.

    With the internet variants of Feminism born on the internet emerged, and platforms of Google YouTube, and fund-raising (crowd-funding) sites became their new platform, misandry became a freely marketed commodity and it's perhaps the Feminists who found a way to make the internet profitable before any internet company did, as the world's oldest newspaper moved 100% to the cloud/digital, and people now have mobile computers called smartphones in their hands Feminist perversion of the media is becoming more and more widespread.


    So above I may have painted an invisible, ever-expanding, overpowered enemy with trillions of bastions of thought filled with echo-chambers, ¿so what is my solution to this? Easy, their infrastructure, their bastions, their ideas aren't the real enemy, for men's issues to be taken seriously we shouldn't concentrate on fighting the Feminist Bastions alone, if history has taught us anything it's that most philosophical (or in the case of Feminism misosophical) bastions don't tend to fall, its inhabitants go, and it deteriorates as there are no more occupants to keep it up eventually to be annexed by the land of the past where it stands as an example of ''ancient bigotry'', the same has happened to Scientific Racism, Southern Democrats, National-Socialism, Stalinism, Etc.

    ¿What brought these things down? None have faced a common enemy nor a comparable demise, and I suspect that the Bastions of Feminism aren't even our real enemy, I'd say that it's a combination of various factors, today's misandry exists because of multiple factors, children of the 1990's and 2000's have it the worst as we have never know another world, and the Feminists can transform any WORD, ANYTHING, and ANY act into an impenetrable Alcatraz + U.S. Homeland Defense-level Bastion, look at the Spice Girls' ''Girl Power'' which became something that is worn on a lot of girls' shirts, then the back of these shirts got ''boys are stupid'' on them, these are shirts that are ever growing in popularity, misandry is a business.

    Feminist Misandry thrives on the internet, not just on Tumblr but everywhere the misandrist bastions of Feminist thought touch a website, they grow a beehive of Social Justice Warriors, these people do the dirty handy-work for the Feminists, they even write their own theory and articles, in fact the line between ''Social Justice'' and Feminism is as blurred as it is invisible.

    But let me name other enemies that have contributed to the misandry of the Zeitgeist, one none other than Conservatives, Conservatives and Feminists aren't enemies, they're Frenemies. Some aspects of misandry exists because of gender rôles, in fact the phrase ''real men'' is a Conservative shaming language, Liberalism on face value would look like an enemy of Feminism as well, but they're the ones who have marketed Feminist thought for their own profit, and though I often call myself a Socialist/Communist, Socialism has often embraced female-only organisations because they buy into the idea that ''women are an oppressed'' class.

    Gynocentrism only comes natural to the Conservatives of these, but everyone has been hijacked into the misandric thought, and it wasn't the Feminist Bastion Legion, nor the Conservative mindset that men should take responsibility for every action women take, it was both, today's misandry exists because of countless of factors, when you turn on the T.V. you'd see 2 common trends happen to every male, either he's shamed because he is inadequate to fall into ''the provider rôle'' this is usually done by mocking him and showing women laughing at him because he doesn't fall for their stone age preferences, the other is shaming men for being the previous in the first place and often mocking men as ''inferior to women'', this includes portraying men as losers, theignoredgender on Google YouTube did a great job pointing these out, a good recent example would be the Pokémon GO commercial where a total of 4 battles happened, 4 men and 4 women... guess how much men won, 0, in fact I can't remember a time where I had ever seen a male defeat a female in any advertisement, I grew up thinking I was born into ''the inferior sex'' because of how common misandry is in the media.

    Before Doctor Who started on B.B.C. 1 I remember watching a show called ''Pointless'' or something and a question involved international women's day, two white knight men immediately said ''every day should be women's day'' and the audience cheered, and cheered, and later they were called ''winners'' for saying that, just another show on the telly. I remember thinking ''these darn conservati... no, Femini... no, wait Conserva... ehhh...'' it's hard to differentiate the two despite seemingly being the complete opposite of each other, their shared gynocentrism and misandry make them allies in their war on men and boys.

    Outside of the media I can quote something from just a few hours ago, I was at my doctor's office making an appointment and I was looking at some folders, there were a total of 3 males, 2 of them were in the same folder and one was a pharmacist with crossed arms, and the other was an older bloke helping a woman in a wheelchair, the other male character was a cartoon next to a female character, and there were 3 cartoons total, 2 female, so the number of cartoons was equal to the number of males, the rest were all cards with girls and women on it, one card had 4 young girls, one had 2 adult women, and several others with women of all ages, in fact most problems were presented as if they only affected women, and there was a Judo, Karate, Taekwondo, Etc. self-defense class that only catered to women called ''mental and physical health classes for women'' (just East-Asian martial arts), I got the idea of writing the above first paragraphs in the shower yesterday, but little did I know that I'd find so many examples of misandry in just going out for 10 minutes.

    The Solution

    As stated above misandry is a very, very common problem and despite the size and power of the million and one denominations of Feminism and their countless bastions of echo-chambers they're not the sole perpetrator, and our solution would probably best be to never back down, I was on Wikipedia looking for a quote by a fellow Dutchman, the quote was something similar (and I'm paraphrasing here) to ''You can't fight the Feminists on Wikipedia because for every claim as false or unscientific they can quote Feminist scholars and Feminist-written articles that will distort reality but fall completely within Wikipedia's guidelines for reliable secondary and tertiary sources'' I was in Viet-Nam when I read it, and I can't remember the article, oh I so regret not copying it immediately upon reading it, it was a response to someone complaining about how the article was extremely biased in favour of Feminist thought, when I'll find it I'll post it to A Voice for Men's fora, until then this is the closest we have.

    As I came across Dean Esmay's Wikipedia page I was sad to see that he had buried his axe and now boycotts Wikipedia, with all the abuse and taunting I have encountered over there I'd honestly want to do the same and leave that toxic environment before it kills me, but I stand for neutrality and don't want to see it tainted so I'd like to call anyone with an interest in educating the masses to edit that encyclopedia, first read all the rules and then edit against Feminist biases, not too long ago the page on Androcide was removed and all redirects deleted because it was never explicitly named, meanwhile the entire page on Femicide is based on a single Feminist scholar and work inspired and based on her book(s).

    So far the solution to this problem is probably Sage's (VictorZen's) approach by creating a counter balance to the Feminist hold on universities, personally I'd say that by raising awareness we'll create legislation and if any of the readers here are Americans I'd say do what Paul Elam said to campaign to ratify the Equal Rights Amendment, as those United States of America have such a large soft power base that any change in American culture will ripple across the world, Feminist bastions are largest in America, Conservative bastions stand the highest in America as well.

    The recently written and very well-sourced articles here on A Voice for Men regarding homophobia in the Feminist movement made me want to start a Wikipedia page regarding this, but let's be honest the Social Justice Warriors and Feminist ''scholars'' and sympathisers of Wikipedia wouldn't allow for it to stand, and they'll probably create a discussion that can only be accessed by those who have been WIkipedia-members for over 3 days. I'd happily start a page if more experienced writers and those with better English skills would assist me in creating a Wikipedia page called ''homophobia in Feminism'' that will utilise the sources already present in the A Voice for Men articles, sure it may not bring down any Feminist bastions, it may not even hurt misandry, but by pointing it out the Zeitgeist will slowly move away from Misandry.

    In general there really isn't any solution to all the misandry other than raising as much awareness, fighting for the rights of men and boys, and trying to raise a common platform for Intactivists, Father's Rights Advocates, Men Going Their Own Way, and all other members of ''the Greater Men's Movement'' (also called ''the Manosphere''), we have tons of problems that don't have a ''one size fits all'' solution and that's why we should never run into a situation single-mindedly.

    What I am doing is mostly being a keyboard-warrior, people always say that it's thankless and useless but let's be honest most people who became Men's Rights Activists/Advocates read compelling arguments, or heard them somewhere, and deconstruction is the best we can do, I'd say that we should have our own interest groups and political parties ¿but who's going to fund all of that? my wallet is ready but alone I don't have enough, the words I write today are not for immediate action, but to let others think, to let others find new ways of fighting, I want this to be a discussion thread where we can find and explore multiple possible solutions, and not just against Feminism, against misandry as a whole, so here are the things I really want to find a way of generating solutions for these things:

    1. Ratify the Equal Rights Amendment in those United States of America, this would be the greatest gift the American Government could ever give the Men's (Human) Rights Movement, it will immediately be the progenitor for lawsuits against male genital mutilation, female-only spaces, and misandric institutions, discounts, research, Etc. in fact it would open the doors to a wave of M.(H.)R.A.'s suing every misandric institution from Miami to Seattle.

    ¿How can we campaign to make this an issue in the American mainstream media and political debate again? as the presidential elections are coming up we could even make a Feminist candidate a trojan horse for this issue.

    2. ''The Wikipedia problem'' ¿Does anyone else want to join me and create accounts to fight the Wikipedia pro-Feminist mindset? A Voice for Men always comes with tons of sources in every article so it wouldn't even be that hard to add new sources to our claims, but I can't do it alone.

    3. Writing letters to misandrist media outlets, something I did when I saw Nintendo/Gamefreak show that Pokémon GO video mentioned above I immediately complained, when you see misandry point it out, to think that it solves nothing is a defeatist mindset, and even if it won't change anything pointing it out has 2 effects... 1) it's therapeutic as you've voiced your concerns to the offending party, and 2) if it's a public letter others will see this trend too and you might recruit more M.(H.)R.A.'s.

    I have more only I can't think of too many, please discuss below.

  • #2
    Originally posted by MarioHong View Post
    1. Ratify the Equal Rights Amendment in those United States of America, this would be the greatest gift the American Government could ever give the Men's (Human) Rights Movement, it will immediately be the progenitor for lawsuits against male genital mutilation, female-only spaces, and misandric institutions, discounts, research, Etc. in fact it would open the doors to a wave of M.(H.)R.A.'s suing every misandric institution from Miami to Seattle.
    Bravo. Three cheers.

    I think that would be an excellent banner issue for the MRHM. It would even work for AVfM, to (at least until it's achieved) declare "raising consciousness to pass the ERA" it's cause celebre.

    Trying to fight the MRHM in the mode of fighting Equality would give our opponent such a bloody nose ...!
    Show them up for who they are...! Yay ...!

    M

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    • #3
      There's only really one thing any man can do to 'fight against' feminism and that's learn to protect himself while living the life he wishes to live...

      The keys to this are as follows;

      -Become a student of female nature.
      -Understand the feminist laws that might adversely impact you and don't put yourself at risk.
      -Become a student of game employ game to gain options in relation to women and exclude women with strong feminist or gynocentric leanings.
      -Become an expert in screening dysfunctional women out of your life. The risks of failure to do so are simply too great at this point.
      -Understand feminism vs gynocentrism.
      -Learn to understand how and why the left informs and directs feminism.
      -Learn to understand how and why the right drives traditionalist gynocentrism.
      -Understand that these are just basically two forms of the same thing...systems to which women are essential and special while men are disposable.
      -Understand why no one is coming, why the state isn't gonna change this situation anytime soon because it benefits from the status quo.
      -Understand traditionalism vs progressivism figure out where you sit on that compass and then opt to live in a place compatible with your values.
      -Make peace with the fact that feminism thrives because of hard-wired aspects of male and female nature that can never be over come through grass roots activism or publicity.
      -Don't work for the system make the system work for you.
      -When you find something that works...share it with other men and boys.
      -Information is power.
      "Being a cunt doesn't make you wrong." ComradePrescott

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      • #4
        But let me name other enemies that have contributed to the misandry of the Zeitgeist, one none other than Conservatives, Conservatives and Feminists aren't enemies, they're Frenemies. Some aspects of misandry exists because of gender rôles, in fact the phrase ''real men'' is a Conservative shaming language, Liberalism on face value would look like an enemy of Feminism as well, but they're the ones who have marketed Feminist thought for their own profit, and though I often call myself a Socialist/Communist, Socialism has often embraced female-only organisations because they buy into the idea that ''women are an oppressed'' class.

        ^^^ that is priceless, Mario. Never would have placed conservatives and feminists as 'frenemies.' If you were to poll 1000 feminists, something tells me that 99.9% of them believe conservatives are their staunch enemies. (mainly because of the typical issues that conservatives are 'for' and 'against.')

        Great thread!

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        • #5
          I see it more as Conservatives being enormous White Knights. They would disagree with 98% of the Feminist agenda, if they knew what it is, but they assume it is all about women getting a fair deal and righting past wrongs, and therefore go along with it. Feminists exploit their reflexive deference to and protection of women, while having contempt for and hatred of them as the embodiment of the Patriarchy.

          It is interesting how Feminism is leading our culture back to Victorian morals regarding sexuality, at least for straight people, where men were seen as inherently beastly sex fiends, while women were these demure sexless creatures, who only engage in sex when vile male lust forces it upon them. Yet, that is the very era where they think their oppression was the worst, and the time their movement started, which means it must have been a revolt against then current conditions.
          Liberty, Equality, Humanity

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Maxx View Post
            There's only really one thing any man can do to 'fight against' feminism and that's learn to protect himself
            Too deensive. Take the fight to the enemy.

            Besides, no cost. Just keep on doing what we do ... erh ... as long as AVfM keeps on doing what it does.

            -Become a student of female nature.
            -Understand the feminist laws that might adversely impact you and don't put yourself at risk.
            -Become a student of game employ game to gain options in relation to women and exclude women with strong feminist or gynocentric leanings.
            -Become an expert in screening dysfunctional women out of your life. The risks of failure to do so are simply too great at this point.
            -Understand feminism vs gynocentrism.
            -Learn to understand how and why the left informs and directs feminism.
            -Learn to understand how and why the right drives traditionalist gynocentrism.
            -Understand that these are just basically two forms of the same thing...systems to which women are essential and special while men are disposable.
            -Understand why no one is coming, why the state isn't gonna change this situation anytime soon because it benefits from the status quo.
            -Understand traditionalism vs progressivism figure out where you sit on that compass and then opt to live in a place compatible with your values.
            -Make peace with the fact that feminism thrives because of hard-wired aspects of male and female nature that can never be over come through grass roots activism or publicity.
            -When you find something that works...share it with other men and boys.
            -Information is power.
            For a meninist, you're sure busy with women. Smacks a little of reverse manginism, pardon my french.


            Understand why ...
            Make peace with the fact that ...
            Oops. A clairvoyant meninist, I mean.

            Don't work for the system make the system work for you.
            That's more like it.


            M

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Patriarch View Post
              I see it more as Conservatives being enormous White Knights. They would disagree with 98% of the Feminist agenda, if they knew what it is, but they assume it is all about women getting a fair deal and righting past wrongs, and therefore go along with it. Feminists exploit their reflexive deference to and protection of women, while having contempt for and hatred of them as the embodiment of the Patriarchy.
              Would you grant a weak possibility ("not logically impossible") that the same goes for non-conservatives? Why should they be the only people feminists do not exploit? If they are the only people feminists do not exploit ... that would be a paradox, wouldn't it?

              It is interesting how Feminism is leading our culture back to Victorian morals regarding sexuality, at least for straight people, where men were seen as inherently beastly sex fiends, while women were these demure sexless creatures, who only engage in sex when vile male lust forces it upon them. Yet, that is the very era where they think their oppression was the worst, and the time their movement started, which means it must have been a revolt against then current conditions.
              Bravo! Full score for that observation. Even makes a good meme.


              M

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              • #8
                Would you grant a weak possibility ("not logically impossible") that the same goes for non-conservatives?
                Oh, I assume it is true of the vast majority of men who support Feminism, whatever their other affiliations. I was simply speaking of why Conservatives end up being useful idiots. I know a lot of them, have spent years arguing with them in the comment sections of their political sites, and they are mega White Knights almost to a man. I would add, many of the young men on Conservative sites are pushing back against White Knighting and apologizing for having a penis.
                Liberty, Equality, Humanity

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Manalysis View Post
                  For a meninist, you're sure busy with women. Smacks a little of reverse manginism, pardon my french.
                  Isn't being a 'reverse mangina' simply 'being a man'??!

                  Anyway it's not really about being 'busy with women', If you are gonna 'do' something do it right. I simply extend that ethos to women.

                  It's a pretty important aspect of any straight man's world one that has the prospect of adversely impacting on all the others if it goes wrong.

                  If you are gonna use and employ fire...you'd better learn how to handle it first.

                  Also I had an odd little advantage in that working in marketing and branding (in the past) meant that figuring out what was going on women's heads was as much a part of my day job as a hobby.

                  Either way most men focus on getting their heads down and gathering capital only to stumble into an awful relationship with a dysfunctional cunt who steals it from them as soon as they've gathered enough to make them a worthy target.

                  That state of affairs needs to be avoided. And the key to that is education.

                  P.S I don't have any problem with genuine celibate MGTOW types...that makes sense to me too. But the InCels on 'dick strike' need to figure out they are pissing in the wind and no one is coming to beg them to put their dicks back in the game anytime soon...not while they pay their taxes and the state funds women's shitty choices with them.
                  Last edited by Maxx; 09-22-2015, 08:12 AM.
                  "Being a cunt doesn't make you wrong." ComradePrescott

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Maxx View Post
                    Isn't being a 'reverse mangina' simply 'being a man'??!
                    Not quite; that would be "the opposite of a mangina".
                    As an example: Say that you are religious (or atheist), and do all you can to be a good Xist. Then one day you get tired of, even angry at, Xism for commanding everything you think and do, and decide to break free. However, in your newly converted state, you spend every waking hour tearing Xism down. Which means Xism still commands everything you think and do, just in reverse, negatively; while "being free of Xism" could also mean "never giving Xism another thought".


                    It's a pretty important aspect of any straight man's world one that has the prospect of adversely impacting on all the others if it goes wrong.
                    Indeed.

                    If you are gonna use and employ fire...you'd better learn how to handle it first.
                    Yeah, but if you're worried about it, do you have to work as a fire juggler ...?

                    Also I had an odd little advantage in that working in marketing and branding (in the past) meant that figuring out what was going on women's heads was as much a part of my day job as a hobby.
                    My inner egghead awoke here. Did you have support in literature (research etc.) addressing this directly, or did you have to connect dots yourself, or did you knit it from the yarns of everyday experience? All good, just diffferent and interesting each in their own way.

                    Either way most men focus on getting their heads down and gathering capital only to stumble into an awful relationship with a dysfunctional cunt who steals it from them as soon as they've gathered enough to make them a worthy target.
                    Luckily, we have less laws inciting to that, e.g. no alimony, sensible divorce settlement laws and laxer CS routines. OTOH a lot of women don't need this incitement, they're dysfunctional cunts just for the fun of it.

                    That state of affairs needs to be avoided. And the key to that is education.
                    Yes, mr Fireman.

                    I don't have any problem with genuine celibate MGTOW types...that makes sense to me too. But the InCels on 'dick strike' need to figure out they are pissing in the wind and no one is coming to beg them to put their dicks back in the game anytime soon...
                    The previous is not hurting women, the lower one is.

                    not while they pay their taxes and the state funds women's shitty choices with them.
                    M

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Manalysis View Post
                      My inner egghead awoke here. Did you have support in literature (research etc.) addressing this directly, or did you have to connect dots yourself, or did you knit it from the yarns of everyday experience? All good, just diffferent and interesting each in their own way.
                      A bit of everything. One thing I did when I discovered that most (big) companies have money set aside for it was to look up industry specific 'insider' courses on these things and persuade them to send me and others on them. On the industry side (in my experience at least) the blue pill bullshit doesn't really figure.

                      People will just straight up say things like; 'you need to target women here because men won't buy this shit off their own bat' Or 'professionals in industry X are all men (under 35) because women simply can't stand this sort of pressure environment and older guys move into consultancy positions if they even stick around in the sector at all past 40, so you need to make sure everything you come up with here focuses on males under 35'. Or 'You need to go from the strong independent woman angle here'

                      And alot of it is about basically employing 'soft' feminism to sell crap to insecure women basically. If you want to get women to do anything all you need to do is persuade them that it's empowering.

                      Selling crap to women isn't even remotely hard. It's harder to do ONE sit up than it is to sell the average woman something she doesn't need.

                      They are like sheep, and their fathers and husbands have been systematically deprived of the right or ability to shepherd them or to in anyway shape or form protect them for the worst aspects of their own nature.

                      This wasn't an accident. It was all 'part of the plan'.

                      I think something that gets lost in translation amidst alot of the left-bashing that goes on on these boards (and the MRM generally) is the role of capitalism and consumerism in all this.

                      While I don't agree that they are the nebulous evils that many of the left characterize them as, they've certainly played their part too in unleashing rampant female dysfunction across the west.

                      I've known so many women who are simply terrible with money and literally don't understand when they are being tricked into buying an overpriced useless piece of crap. I'm sure there are men like this too but it's not even close.

                      Feminists always bang on about how men expecting or wanting women who can sew is sexist and backwards and all that crap. But it's really not. If a woman can sew it's a pretty strong green flag in my book. It means at a fundamental level that she believes in FIXING THINGS before you just throw them away.

                      A woman who's too quick to toss everything in the trash...on the inside (to me at least) she looks like this...



                      And I sure as fuck don't plan on working myself into an early grave in order to feed that fucking thing.

                      She's gonna be a relentless merciless 'consumer' and whichever fool marries her is gonna be expected to foot the bill for her rabid consumption...even after she's chewed him up and spat him out in a divorce court. He might even be the her third or forth 'victim'.

                      Women who are too quick to throw things away are the same women who are quick to demand their man cough up some money for a replacement. And the same to look to trade up if and when he can't continue to increase his earning capacity in step with her increasing appetite for consumption.

                      And it's women with that mentality that are good for business. It's that mentality you wanna ENCOURAGE and enable if you wanna make some easy quick money.

                      Women that can dive into a trash can like Supergirl chasing a bus down a cliff edge...fish out an abandoned piece of clothing and sew it up so that it's owner can get another 10 years of service out of it before going back to the store for a replacement are bad for business.

                      From a business POV they are the enemy.

                      And feminism has been critical in ensuring they become a dying breed. This was 'all part of the plan'.
                      Last edited by Maxx; 09-22-2015, 11:28 AM.
                      "Being a cunt doesn't make you wrong." ComradePrescott

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                      • #12
                        Hi,

                        Gosh, this post is like meeting Superman in his Clark Kent suit. As if you were a regular person, like.
                        You are full of surprises

                        Thx, btw. Really good post.


                        Originally posted by Maxx View Post
                        A bit of everything. One thing I did when I discovered that most (big) companies have money set aside for it was to look up industry specific 'insider' courses on these things and persuade them to send me and others on them. On the industry side (in my experience at least) the blue pill bullshit doesn't really figure.
                        Illusion has little place where money is to be made, that's for sure.

                        People will just straight up say things like; 'you need to target women here because men won't buy this shit off their own bat' Or 'professionals in industry X are all men (under 35) because women simply can't stand this sort of pressure environment and older guys move into consultancy positions if they even stick around in the sector at all past 40, so you need to make sure everything you come up with here focuses on males under 35'. Or 'You need to go from the strong independent woman angle here'
                        Yup. Standard demographic analysis. Totally descriptive, zero normative.

                        (All that's snipped is fullly agreed.)

                        I think something that gets lost in translation amidst alot of the left-bashing that goes on on these boards (and the MRM generally) is the role of capitalism and consumerism in all this.
                        Yes. They are of course the reason for media entertainment bias. They know who wields the Dollar.

                        While I don't agree that they are the nebulous evils that many of the left characterize them as, they've certainly played their part too in unleashing rampant female dysfunction across the west.
                        That comes with the "zero normative" part. The declared goal is to make money, and other considerations simply take second place.
                        I think part of the appeal of the left - and environmentalists - is that it is self-evident that this is not really optimal in every situation.
                        You can raise millions of "But what about ..." questions, just like you are raising one wrt. consumerism and feminism.

                        I've known so many women who are simply terrible with money and literally don't understand when they are being tricked into buying an overpriced useless piece of crap.
                        It's the "Because you're worth it" thing. Women buy pamperage for ersatz self-reward like men buy porn for ersatz satisfaction. Apparently men didn't buy enough presents, so now women are encouraged to buy them for themselves.
                        I've often thought about the parallells between women's "mate selection" and "shopping".
                        Men buy extensions of the body - tools - to increase performance.
                        Women shop just to shop. It'smeaningful in itself, excersizing their powers of discriminating taste.
                        To find goodstuff is a secondary bonus.
                        To buy pretty wraps for the body to increase attraction is a tertiary level.
                        (I put buying before using, because all women I know shop 20 items and bring 19 - 21 back unused.)

                        I'm sure there are men like this too but it's not even close.
                        There are markets geared towards men. All the stuff advertized in Playboy. Expensive watches, shirts, cars, shoes. Cars, boats. Equipment for photography, hunting and fishing. But the angle is different, and the market is much smaller.

                        Funny, though. A Porsche still works on women, and a push-up bra still works on men.

                        Feminists always bang on about how men expecting or wanting women who can sew is sexist and backwards and all that crap. But it's really not. If a woman can sew it's a pretty strong green flag in my book. It means at a fundamental level that she believes in FIXING THINGS before you just throw them away.
                        Whazat?! Don't be a dam fool man. Of course very women liked by an MRA is sexist and backwards.



                        A woman who's too quick to toss everything in the trash...on the inside (to me at least) she looks like this...
                        (Snip my bath toy )

                        Yes, a lot of them have a big black hole inside capapble of sucking in everything good without ever releasing so much as information.

                        Women who are too quick to throw things away .... are good for business. It's that mentality you wanna ENCOURAGE and enable if you wanna make some easy quick money.
                        ( "You think he will be OK again?"
                        "Yes. Quick, quick.... you say it."
                        "OK. Here goes: ..."
                        (loudly: ) 'I really want to settle down when I'm 32 and rich, even if she has a wild past' !!" )


                        Women that can dive into a trash can like Supergirl chasing a bus down a cliff edge...fish out an abandoned piece of clothing and sew it up so that it's owner can get another 10 years of service out of it before going back to the store for a replacement are bad for business.
                        From a business POV they are the enemy.
                        And feminism has been critical in ensuring they become a dying breed. This was 'all part of the plan'.
                        "And next week: Maxx on intersectionalism."

                        Man, I hope this is not our fault. Is there anything we can do?

                        M

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