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  • #16
    I just hate that I was holed below the waterline before I even stood a chance - sounds like.

    Still struggling through the very slow healing..

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    • #17
      I've opted out, I keep my profiles active on dating websites in case some unicorn stumbles upon it and messages me, otherwise don't bother reaching out. Women love dating they get to get dolled up and get wined and dined, for me it's just a hassle and expense I don't care for.

      Good news, more women for the rest of the guys, 'ave at it!

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      • #18
        Trustory, you understand just fine. Why would anyway marry a beta when they could marry an alpha? Answer: because there aren't enough alphas to go around, so a lot of women "settle" for betas. The concept is sexual economics, which means scarcity. The thing to remember is that in the pre marriage dating world it seems like 25% of the men get 75% of the women, so somewhere along the way, women are able to "date up" - but when a high quality man is ready to settle down, it's usually with the best women he can find, whatever that means to him. The problem for the bottom 75% of men is that in their 20's they struggle to varying degrees with dating, and in their 30's or 40's end of marrying a women who still has fond memories of all the hot alpha guys she's been with. And the beta husband is always treated as second best, and it effects the relationship.

        So, there's a point where a women has had so many partners that it begins to effect her ability to appreciate her current partner. No quality is ever good enough, because she's had it better before. By the time a women has dated, we'll say, to put it fine point on it, 20 guys, it doesn't matter who she's with. She will have dated someone smarter, funnier, more mature, more athletic, more good looking, wealthier, more spontanious, more organized, more educated, more handy around the house, more playful, more focused, more spiritual, more worldly... more more more more

        So, as she gets older and her looks fade and she notices she's getting less male attention, she's suddenly in a rush to secure herself a longterm mate, but if she isn't top qualities herself, she realizes that the high quality men she was used to dating don't really want to settle down with her, so she has to settle down with what she considers a lesser quality man, even though in fact it's actually a guy of the same quality as herself.

        So, because women are delaying marriage more and more, its making the dating market very unforgiving for the lower 75% of men out there, and even if they do succeed, there's a chance that the women they end up will always have memories of better men.

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        Anyway, as you can tell, this is a narrative. It explains a lot but not everything, and everybody's first question is "I am alpha? beta?" "I am dating alphas? betas?" And this is where the PUA's have you. They've reeled you in and now you're buying into all their advice, some useful, some not, to try to be or attract alphas. This is a good time to walk away.

        But, from a sexual economics viewpoint, yeah, people like Heartiste and Dalrock are amazing. But taking everything they say and seeing how you fit into the story... it's bad news. At the end of the day, the world is a complex place, and all we can say is "this thing happens often enough to mention."

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        • #19
          You don't here a lot of women talk amongst a group of guys anymore, and actually the subject of women rally comes up. Of course women are arrogant about it and don't realize it. If a woman here's this, its most likely going to say " I don't need a man" and that same woman is probably on the internet begging a guy to go out with her. To answer the members post, "yes they are"

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          • #20
            Along these lines, I went to a college football game tonight.
            Normally I indulge in drinking and having a good time. Due to the fact that I had to drive, I didn't drink and I observed what was happening around me.

            I saw some women tailgating at the tent next to ours. The most attractive woman there was a 20-something blonde. She was drinking very hard. She was twerking while her friends were slapping her ass.
            Other older women were there drinking whiskey straight from the bottle.
            As the day went on, the beautiful blond began to lose her attractiveness. Her hair was getting messed up and her make up smeared off.
            The older women had no appeal at all to them. They wore no wedding rings, so the thought crossed my mind that they weren't worth having if they were available.
            Also, other attractive young women were there. I could hear them swearing, "F-this and f-that."
            Though they were attractive, their behavior was ugly.

            The men at the tailgate were 20ish and they were relatively quiet. The women were running the show.

            As a middle aged man, I can see no value in most of the women that crossed my path today.
            I hate to say that.
            For years I thought that women were the fairer sex.
            I overlooked their obvious flaws because that is what I was trained to do.
            The awareness that I have now amazes me. It is like I am seeing reality for the first time in my life.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Never_Marry View Post
              Have you seen men desappearing from the dating market? At times it seems like there are fewer men at singles events. Then I read these two blogs. It seems that I am correct?

              So what is your experience? Are there fewer and fewer men in the dating scene?

              Yes, Men Do Leave the Market
              http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.ca...ve-market.html

              Guys opting out of the game
              https://badgerhut.wordpress.com/2013...t-of-the-game/
              You should probably get out more and you would know what was happening around you.

              No in my experience there are not fewer and fewer men in the dating scene. Staged "singles" events are not a gauge one way or the other because such events will often attract more woman.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Trustory View Post
                He is competitive and charming and girls have always wanted him and before I dated him girls warned me he was a player and used women.
                Originally posted by Trustory View Post
                He never really did play the field. He never went from woman to woman.
                I'm confused.

                Originally posted by Trustory View Post
                So basically if alpha males are just players, then why don't you just use that word instead?
                The term alpha male originates from our mammal ancestors, apes and lions and other animals that lived in tribes. In these tribes there would be a leader, the alpha male, who would lead the pack and who would screw any of the women he wanted.

                A player is a modern day version of an alpha male. He may not be a leader of men, but he will go from one woman to the next, not within his tribe, but within his social sphere. Both terms are appropriate because they describe the same type of human behaviour.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Trustory View Post
                  I am not sure women would really try to purposefully marry a man that is less attractive and they barely tolerate though.That sounds fishy.
                  Well just because she marries him doesn't mean he's gonna be the only person she has sex with. She can marry him for his assets. And use his resources to raise the kids of some alpha male she fucks on the side. A celebrity version of this happenend when Woody Allen (beta chump) raised Frank Sinatras (alpha) son who selfish feminist piece of shit Mia Farrow was fucking behind his back.

                  Heck if a woman fucks around on a beta chump she's only with because of his resources she STILL gets half his shit and the kids in the event of a divorce.

                  Originally posted by Trustory View Post
                  Why not marry a man like the ones you used to have fun with? Idk the only guy I had any no strings attached "fun" with was because he was attractive and I was drunk and frisky. He actually had the most feministy beta male characteristics of any of the guys I dated almost. Maybe. I don't know. Who is to say a beta male is less attractive too?
                  Because the ones she used to have fun with don't want to marry her. Marrying them isn't an option that's on table. She isn't 'special' to the alpha male the way she is to the beta.

                  A beta male isn't less attractive per se. It's NOTHING to do with physical traits per se. It's about how the man in question relates to women.

                  An alpha male has options and controls his interactions with women.
                  A beta male lacks options and is controlled by women with whom he interacts.

                  If a man is hungry in his interaction with women he is beta. If he isn't he is not. It's nothing to do really do with anything else.
                  Originally posted by Trustory View Post
                  Okay I am going to google this and try to understand it more. Okay so I am reading stuff like: beta males are less aggressive, might not be as confident, might not carry himself as well, might lack charm.
                  okay fair enough...but he could still be hot and so you could have "fun" with a beta male then. Who wants to marry that though? Might be alright, depends on the guy, but doesn't sound ideal of the bat though. lol.
                  Alpha males: have more charm, more competitive, owns up to his mistakes but is not apologetic, would never do generic things to impress a girl.
                  oh man that sounds like husband material way more than the first one.
                  I don't understand fully still. Nope. Sorry guys. I think I'm just gonna let it go I can't make sense of it.
                  The theory is based on the idea that women look for a different things depending on if they are thinking long term or short term.

                  If they are thinking long term...they withhold sex and attempt to dangle the promise of it as a carrot to secure protect provision and increasing commitment from a prospective provider.

                  If they are thinking short term (sex)...they surrender sexually to men that display alpha traits and qualities.

                  Women tend to adopt one approach OR the other depending on mood/mindset/age/station in life and a variety of other factors. Of course men that don't know how to navigate their way around these dynamics get annoyed and frustated by their existance.

                  But take it from me the general theory holds up.

                  Confusion comes from the idea that guys that are apparently Alpha like say Bill Clinton or Tiger Woods or General Petraeus are as 'alpha' in their interactions with women as they outwardly in their chosen field. And they aren't. Meanwhile a dude running his own T-shirt biz online and spending his days smoking pot on a beach might be alpha as fuck in terms of controling his interactions with women and insure he doesn't make a mess of them as that famous trio did.
                  "Being a cunt doesn't make you wrong." ComradePrescott

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Maxx View Post
                    If a man is hungry in his interaction with women he is beta. If he isn't he is not. It's nothing to do really do with anything else.
                    That makes sense.


                    And Jonesey505, when I said. "He is competitive and charming and girls have always wanted him and before I dated him girls warned me he was a player and used women."
                    "He never really did play the field. He never went from woman to woman."

                    In other words, the women that informed me about him lied, and his true friends that actually knew him told the truth that he was not a player and did not use women and whatever other things the women said about him that weren't actually very true. That and he is just a huge flirt and kept a lot of women in the "friend zone" I guess you could say. So a few rumors were made by these girls that wanted to date him, so a couple tried to tell me he was a player and yada yada but he really was just a flirt and they didn't want me to be with him.
                    The deepest circle of hell is reserved for betrayers and mutineers.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Trustory View Post
                      That makes sense.


                      And Jonesey505, when I said. "He is competitive and charming and girls have always wanted him and before I dated him girls warned me he was a player and used women."
                      "He never really did play the field. He never went from woman to woman."

                      In other words, the women that informed me about him lied, and his true friends that actually knew him told the truth that he was not a player and did not use women and whatever other things the women said about him that weren't actually very true. That and he is just a huge flirt and kept a lot of women in the "friend zone" I guess you could say. So a few rumors were made by these girls that wanted to date him, so a couple tried to tell me he was a player and yada yada but he really was just a flirt and they didn't want me to be with him.
                      So they were upset that he friendzoned them? Oh Sweet Irony!

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