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  • Maxx
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    Originally posted by rainboweagle View Post
    may be that woman is extending into a man abnd actually she is a man......read this theory
    x and y are not dissimilar .
    In fact they are so similar that y is called x with missing leg. If that is correct then there remain no difference in blue print . if blue print is same how can the structure erected on the basis of this can be different. Only difference must be in arrangement and for a capable mind that is no difference at all . so to say man is just the woman with clitoris enlarged as penis. Vagina stitched to be scrotum and ovaries dropped down from the tummy as testis........(Ref-man is the extension of woman)
    What are you smoking and where can I get some...?

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  • MrScruffles
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    Originally posted by rainboweagle View Post
    may be that woman is extending into a man abnd actually she is a man......read this theory
    x and y are not dissimilar .
    In fact they are so similar that y is called x with missing leg. If that is correct then there remain no difference in blue print . if blue print is same how can the structure erected on the basis of this can be different. Only difference must be in arrangement and for a capable mind that is no difference at all . so to say man is just the woman with clitoris enlarged as penis. Vagina stitched to be scrotum and ovaries dropped down from the tummy as testis........(Ref-man is the extension of woman)

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  • rainboweagle
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    may be that woman is extending into a man abnd actually she is a man......read this theory
    x and y are not dissimilar .
    In fact they are so similar that y is called x with missing leg. If that is correct then there remain no difference in blue print . if blue print is same how can the structure erected on the basis of this can be different. Only difference must be in arrangement and for a capable mind that is no difference at all . so to say man is just the woman with clitoris enlarged as penis. Vagina stitched to be scrotum and ovaries dropped down from the tummy as testis........(Ref-man is the extension of woman)

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  • shaazam
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    strong is just a euphemism for arrogant and pushy a bit like a little yapping dog barking at a huge dog but n the other side of the wire fence - new age gals know they have only to holler and a squad of LEOS arrive

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  • dmschlom
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    Originally posted by Jack H. View Post
    gay guys being effeminate never made any logical sense to me ether, they are presumably looking for a guy who's also attracted to men so why would they want to appear like what their target is not attracted to aka a women?
    unless they are trying to attract men who are attracted to women, which is what homophobes are supposedly afraid of?

    that would be like me trying to attract strait women by wearing a dress... maby I could trick a lesbian like that but I bet my beard would give me away (or not I've seen some of those feminist dikes O.o)

    but my guess is that effeminate behavior has become sort of a marking, plumage if you will so that they can advertise their sexuality without someone having to ask so as to prevent awkwardness in social situations and attract potential mates.
    There is an imbalance there with gay men and effeminacy. First of all, gay men who are effeminate don't choose to be effeminate. They just are effeminate. The verbal centers in their brains are obviously structured like women, and then when they walk they walk swishy, and then when they socialize, the kinds of topics they like to talk about are girl stuff, and they like to go shopping with fag hag girlfriends, put on a sweater and ask "does this make me look fat?" and all the stuff girls do. This is obviously hard wired in their brains.

    The imbalance comes in because gay men - including gay men who are effeminate -- tend to be much more attracted to MASCULINE MEN than they are to EFFEMINATE MEN. So if you are masculine and gay, well…….you are at an advantage and also sometimes the target of jealousy. In any case, effeminate behavior isn't chosen, it's hard wired in gays. Many would, if they could, change it. After all, in all other respects they do everything they can to make themselves more attractive to most gay men. But that's one thing they can't change.

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  • Maxx
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    Originally posted by MrScruffles View Post
    Go on, tell me all about how gay men on the whole feel.

    I never did you fucking moron.

    Learn to read. Apparently you don't know what the words 'tend' and 'sterotypcially at least' mean. Also my entire post CLEARLY focused on a specific KIND of gay man.

    Also pointing out exceptions as if they disqualify conversations about general tendencies within a given group is a bull shit tactic employed by feminists and PC fools. Suprise me by proving you are neither why don't you.

    It'd be a bullshit counter argument even if I WAS saying all or most gay men are effeminate...(which i wasn't anyway).
    Last edited by Maxx; 02-19-2014, 08:44 PM.

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  • MrScruffles
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    Originally posted by Maxx View Post
    I didn't say ALL gay men ARE effeminate did I? I made a general point about the general tendencies of gay men THAT ARE.
    Originally posted by Maxx View Post
    Gay men on the whole tend (stereotypically atleast) to feel empowered by ULTRA femmine icons. Divas such as Mariah Carey, Dolly Parton, Cher, Rhianna or historically Marylin Monroe. Personally I think it's because some effeminate gay men despise and have issues with masculinity and so idolize icons that are ultra cartoonish representations of the female privilage and entitlement and feminine power that many effeminate gay men WISH they could somehow co opt for themselves.
    Go on, tell me all about how gay men on the whole feel.

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  • Maxx
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    Originally posted by MrScruffles View Post
    I didn't know Rob Halford was considered effeminate.
    What the fuck are you getting at? Does the existance of NON-effeminate gay men somehow RULE OUT or disqualify general points made about effeminate ones? Does the existance of Rob Halford, or Clive Barker or Chuck Palahniuk, Gareth Thomas or Orlando Cruz have anything whatsoever to do with effeminate gay men?

    I didn't say ALL gay men ARE effeminate did I? I made a general point about the general tendencies of gay men THAT ARE.

    Try actually READING what people have written before you attempt to counter it with some sort of 'well intentioned' PC bullshit next time.
    Last edited by Maxx; 02-19-2014, 05:30 PM.

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  • OzzieMatt
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    I think this is a crap argument.
    Homosexual men are as diverse a group as the wider community. Just because someone is gay, doesn't mean they'll go shopping with you and want to brush your hair after dinner.
    Gay blokes I know are mechanics who ride motorcycles, and that sort of ilk. They don't look gay and they definitely don't feel empowered by seeing strong women. They're indifferent.
    The argument probably applies to some, but definitely not all gay men. As much as feminists would wish it otherwise. Feminists like to claim gay people as part of the fight against the 'patriarchy'. But I know there was a gay pub in my town that wanted to be men only and feminists fought tooth and nail to try to stop it. The gay blokes won and fair enough too.
    Straight men on the other hand would have no chance. Even the damn "men's sheds" popping up all over Australia are being controlled by WOMEN. It's typical and totally ridiculous. But anyway, I digress.

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  • christo930
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    Originally posted by astr591 View Post
    just wondering what people thought on this, as I saw this mentioned on a Film message board I usually visit


    someone said this
    I've always wondered: why are gay guys so enamored with actresses/female characters? If you've ever been to a website called The Film Experience, Nathaniel Rogers is obsessed with actresses and a gay friend of mine is the same way.
    Originally posted by astr591 View Post
    and a response was this
    Well, even though I'm gay, I'm not like that, but I can understand it. Misogyny is one of the core issues at the heart of homophobia - gay men are perceived as more feminine and, by extension, weaker. Strong female characters are empowering for a lot of gay men simply because they fight against the weak=woman (and sissy 'mos) logic a lot of us are exposed to, especially growing up...
    I hate to break it to whatever moron said this, but women are weaker than men on average. There are outliers, individual women who are exceptionally strong and individual men who are exceptionally weak, but on the average men have full number multiples of upper body strength than women. I don't know why anyone could think this is in contention, we are biologically classified as a dimorphic species. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_dimorphism#Humans)

    It's not a stereotype, it is a fact of biology. Men can't have babies, but are much physically stronger than women.

    There's another stupid fallacy here too.... That being compared to a woman is an insult because they are compared to a woman and that it somehow implies something. The only thing it implies is that you aren't meeting (in someone's eyes) the minimum criteria to be considered a man. It's the stripping of your manhood and not an unfavorable comparison to women that is insulting. Same exact thing with a straight person being called gay, it's stripping that straight person of their gender identity and saying that you aren't living up to a minimum standard of your gender or sexual identity.

    God, these people are stupid.

    Chris

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  • Shadizar
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    I think the people trying to promote this idea think of it like so...

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  • ErikTheRed
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    Saying that strong females empower gay men makes just as bad a stereotype about gay men. There are different kinds of gay men, bears, twinks, whatever. Look at the above pic of Halford. Does he strike you as lady-like? Manginas and feminists why try to spread the idea that strong women are empowering to gay men are actually doing a disservice to gay men by lumping them all together and assuming (rather asininely) that just because they are gay they all like the same thing. As usual, feminism misses its mark by a mile and only further shows how clueless they are.

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  • Shadizar
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    Originally posted by astr591 View Post
    I guess they are talking about people like Buffy the Vampire Slayer or something
    Oh those ones, the women who are men. Gotcha. Here I was wondering if it was those women who starred in dramas.

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  • MrScruffles
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    Originally posted by Gladiator View Post
    I honestly think gay men tend to pigeonhole themselves into that weak, effeminate stereotype. Being a man who likes men doesn't necessarily mean that a man has to carry himself like a woman, but this is what many gay men have chosen to do. The worst part about this for gay men is that women expect this out of them and that leads to their objectification.
    Originally posted by Maxx View Post
    Gay men on the whole tend (stereotypically atleast) to feel empowered by ULTRA femmine icons. Divas such as Mariah Carey, Dolly Parton, Cher, Rhianna or historically Marylin Monroe. Personally I think it's because some effeminate gay men despise and have issues with masculinity and so idolize icons that are ultra cartoonish representations of the female privilage and entitlement and feminine power that many effeminate gay men WISH they could somehow co opt for themselves.
    I didn't know Rob Halford was considered effeminate.

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  • astr591
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    Originally posted by Shadizar View Post
    YES!!!

    Define a "strong female character!!!"

    I guess they are talking about people like Buffy the Vampire Slayer or something

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