Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

NOOB From the True North "Strong" and "Free"

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • NOOB From the True North "Strong" and "Free"

    Greeting, fellow Hoomans. I am KikiSpaghetti, or you can call me Kiki. Wiki works too, for reasons I can explain should you be intrigued...

    As I'm SURE the title suggests, I'm Canadian, and new to this enclave of sanity...nay, common sense. Let's be honest, a lot of us here are a little on the quirky side, maybe a little loopy, but in the BEST way. You can be an oddball with common sense! They aren't mutually exclusive! Don't judge me!!!

    The reasons strong and free were in quotes, is because I find it hilarious. Why? Yeah, we pride ourselves being strong and free, but do people strong and free apologize ALL the gosh darn time? Constantly? Not...not really....Oh stereotypes, in this case, you are very true...

    Right! So, I'm super lucky to be in the same national category as GirlWritesWhat and Janice Fiamengo. Worship one, have had exchanges with another who is fantastic. Really, they are who lead me down the trial of breadcrumbs here. If you have a look at my little bio, you'll see that I was a feminist. PUT DOWN THE TORCHES, MOB MEN! And I shall explain.

    You see, once upon a time, feminism wasn't always crazy. I won't say feminist, because a good deal among their ranks have been a little off. And remember how I said you can be crazy in a good way? Yeah...they weren't. But this was a time when feminism was far more on par with egalitarian/equalist values. My mother was one of these more reasonable folk (now a days, that's what we called an equity feminist, but either way...) I, therefore, believed feminism was this great thing for everyone! So when I saw anything dissing it, I was saddened. Why? It's a great thing...why get rid of women's studies at universities? Why is this a trend? I am cross. Then I took a women's studies class and I was like "OOOOH, THAT'S why." Wow. It was pretty grim, I'll tell you what. Hilariously, the course was taught by a man, but who seemed to collapse in on himself in fear, perhaps due to the presence of the all mighty uterus. And a LOT of it to boot. It was also conspiracy 101. YOU ARE STRONG, BUT IT IS SO HARD TO BE YOU. YOU ARE A VICTIM, BUT YOU ARE STRONG. MEN AREN'T ALL BAD BUT THEY KEEP YOU DOWN! The health care system takes special care of women to keep their wombs healthy so the state can have more workers to keep up the ruling class!!

    I'm not kidding.

    After writing my final essay on a topic provided BY the course on men and how they suffer from sexism, I realized something. Maybe feminism isn't as great as my mum thought. I realized this after getting back a...well, not as great mark as I deserved. My facts? Great! But I was harsh. Yup....harsh. No, I did the research, and sourced my material from far and wide, peer reviewed journals, text books, government statistics... but I didn't do well because I was "harsh"? Isn't university supposed to be this great open space where reality bites, and you learn about it so you can go forth and not get chewed up and spat out? To be better? To learn facts? It hated it. Over time, I saw more and more of what feminism was becoming....the silent majority grew ever silent, and the radfems took over....changing how their approved history was, how we live in a patriarchy, etc. This is what the next generations are taught; that healthcare is a conspiracy, that we are victims but strong and it isn't our fault we can't do things, it's men. That men who are raped should be imprisoned because they will in turn rape, to regain power. That men don't need help. That all men are pigs, but they aren't. It's a mess. No wonder more and more feminists are going the way of extremism!

    This isn't to say they all are, but the ideology has turned into something obese, angry, rampaging and toxic. I will have no part of it, as a silent majority or otherwise. So, I handed in my F-Card and went the route of egalitarian, or my definition of it, that being we are human beings. We aren't always equal, because that's stupid. Someone who is tall will always be taller than someone who is short. But that doesn't make them better on the WHOLE. Here's an analogy I wrote about men, women and desert (oh, a woman writing about desert? WHAT A SURPRISE....)

    "While there are issues that both men and women face, they are different, not unequal. We will never be equal in all ways, because we are different. A pie and a cake are both desert, but ingredients and shape are different. They are both desert like we are human beings. We have a different make up with a similar purpose, and while they are not necessarily equal, they are both delicious." -KS

    Now I'm hungry....Regardless, I may not be an MRA. But your cause has validity, and as such, I will stand among your ranks, adding my voice to yours. Being that I can be a bit of a loudmouth, that extra volume boost with help.

    Long introduction is long.
    "Not all with tits are twisted." -Me

  • #2
    Welcome to the forums.
    The ancient shitposter returns.

    Comment


    • #3
      Thank you muchly.
      "Not all with tits are twisted." -Me

      Comment


      • #4
        I would disagree that feminism was ever any better than it is now, to believe that feminism ever had a purpose is to accept the lie that women were ever oppressed.
        But it's not your fault really, you were systematically lied to about nearly everything.
        If you are honestly uxorious, and devoted to one woman, then bow your head and submit your neck to the yoke. Never will you find a woman who spares the man who loves her; for though she be herself aflame, she delights to torment and plunder him. So the better the man, the more desirable he be as a husband, the less good will he get out of his wife. No present will you ever make if your wife forbids; nothing will you ever sell if she objects; nothing will you buy without her consent. She will arrange your friendships for you; she will turn your now-aged friend from the door which saw the beginnings of his beard. Panders and trainers can make their wills as they please, as also can the gentlemen of the arena; but you will have to write down among your heirs more than one rival of your own.

        "Crucify that slave!" says the wife. "But what crime worthy of death has he committed? " asks the husband; "where are the witnesses? who informed against him? Give him a hearing at least; no delay can be too long when a man's life is at stake!" "What, you numskull? You call a slave a man, do you? He has done no wrong, you say? Be it so; but this is my will and my command: let my will be the voucher for the deed." Thus does she lord it over her husband. But before long she vacates her kingdom; she flits from one home to another, wearing out her bridal veil; then back she flies again and returns to her own imprints in the bed that she has abandoned, leaving behind her the newly decorated door, the festal hangings on the walls, and the garlands still green over the threshold. Thus does the tale of her husbands grow; there will be eight of them in the course of five autumns----a fact worthy of commemoration on her tomb!

        Give up all hope of peace so long as your mother-in-law is alive. It is she that teaches her daughter to revel in stripping and despoiling her husband; it is she that teaches her to reply to a seducer's love-letters in no plain and honest fashion; she eludes or bribes your guards; it is she that calls in Archigenes
        - Juvenal Satire VI verse 28 by Decimus Junius Juvenalis (born 55–60? ce, Aquinum, Italy—died probably in or after 127), most powerful of all Roman satiric poets. http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/ju...satires_06.htm
        "It is the greatest inequality to try to make unequal things equal." - Aristotle

        Comment


        • #5
          Hmmm...Sadly (and this is going to seem like an excuse, so bare with me...) I have work in around ten or so minutes, so I can't refute your argument. HOWEVER, I WILL say that I agree that there has of course always been to some extent, the underlying "I AM SO MAD. I WANT THIS. WE'RE BETTER, WHY DON'T WE HAVE IT? WE SHOULD BE X." I also may be confusing the suffragist movement with the feminist movement, as they were different (From what I can understand). The right to vote, etc. was something that was denied to women, which I'm sure you can logically see as a denial of rights, as the men could voice their opinion at the ballot box, while women could not. In that case, it could be seen as a denial of democratic process, and as such, oppression. That being said, blacks were also denied that right, etc. I also will say that while I agree I was systematically lied to (as have we all...), that some individuals with the name "feminist" do indeed agree in equal rights, and see that outside our borders (see Middle East, Africa, etc.) women are indeed looked down upon, and subjected to horrors. Is it everywhere? I wouldn't say so, but it is a problem and they are looking to try and do something about it. I understand that these individuals are not true "feminists" (a duck who calls himself a cow is a duck with issues), as they may not see patriarchy in our midst and see us as equals. Some may say there is not oppression elsewhere in the world, which I would say is false, having grown up in a family where the father (my dad) was a international development specialist and has seen true horrors that some groups are subjected to, not necessarily based on sex, but skin, etc. To say that such treatment is wrong, I would not see as a bad thing, and sadly, some of the groups attacked are women (see India. Good times there!). Should these individuals call themselves feminists, I will ask them why, but it is their choice, and I will not deny them that.

          To add to your point regarding feminism being no better/worse now, it perhaps is worse. The reason? Internet. Like disease, you get a bunch of people in an enclosed space and it spreads faster, more severe cases come up, more casualties, etc. The echo chambers online for feminism have created just that; a dense, compact population with an ideological disease running rampant, growing worse and worse as it evolves and spreads it's influence. The ideas may be the same, but they get louder and louder and out to more people, and it spreads...in that way, it is worse. Also, I'm gonna have to sit down and really read that quote you sent! It looks awesome, and I have to say, the classics....I loves them. Thanks for the reply! Hopefully I haven't made myself out with a big red target on my back, but if I do, eh. I can dodge well....hopefully.
          "Not all with tits are twisted." -Me

          Comment


          • #6
            Oh you have so much to learn young one...

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by DxM Scotty MxD View Post
              Oh you have so much to learn young one...
              I probably do, mate. Hence why I'm here. I also understand that I probably won't agree with everything posted, and all the opinions of everyone...but that's life. Here to learn, express and participate, and whilst doing that, I shall indeed learn.
              "Not all with tits are twisted." -Me

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by KikiSpaghetti View Post
                Hmmm...Sadly (and this is going to seem like an excuse, so bare with me...) I have work in around ten or so minutes, so I can't refute your argument. HOWEVER, I WILL say that I agree that there has of course always been to some extent, the underlying "I AM SO MAD. I WANT THIS. WE'RE BETTER, WHY DON'T WE HAVE IT? WE SHOULD BE X." I also may be confusing the suffragist movement with the feminist movement, as they were different (From what I can understand). The right to vote, etc. was something that was denied to women, which I'm sure you can logically see as a denial of rights, as the men could voice their opinion at the ballot box, while women could not. In that case, it could be seen as a denial of democratic process, and as such, oppression. That being said, blacks were also denied that right, etc. I also will say that while I agree I was systematically lied to (as have we all...), that some individuals with the name "feminist" do indeed agree in equal rights, and see that outside our borders (see Middle East, Africa, etc.) women are indeed looked down upon, and subjected to horrors. Is it everywhere? I wouldn't say so, but it is a problem and they are looking to try and do something about it. I understand that these individuals are not true "feminists" (a duck who calls himself a cow is a duck with issues), as they may not see patriarchy in our midst and see us as equals. Some may say there is not oppression elsewhere in the world, which I would say is false, having grown up in a family where the father (my dad) was a international development specialist and has seen true horrors that some groups are subjected to, not necessarily based on sex, but skin, etc. To say that such treatment is wrong, I would not see as a bad thing, and sadly, some of the groups attacked are women (see India. Good times there!). Should these individuals call themselves feminists, I will ask them why, but it is their choice, and I will not deny them that.

                To add to your point regarding feminism being no better/worse now, it perhaps is worse. The reason? Internet. Like disease, you get a bunch of people in an enclosed space and it spreads faster, more severe cases come up, more casualties, etc. The echo chambers online for feminism have created just that; a dense, compact population with an ideological disease running rampant, growing worse and worse as it evolves and spreads it's influence. The ideas may be the same, but they get louder and louder and out to more people, and it spreads...in that way, it is worse. Also, I'm gonna have to sit down and really read that quote you sent! It looks awesome, and I have to say, the classics....I loves them. Thanks for the reply! Hopefully I haven't made myself out with a big red target on my back, but if I do, eh. I can dodge well....hopefully.
                Good posts, thoughtful. I won't give my blathering or understanding of the topic at this point because I think you are at least on the trail to discovery. I do want to give you a thought to consider in regard to the internet and individuals immediate access to each other without attending monthly meetings or reading pamphlets and propaganda and such. The internet in all it's challenges is a great illuminator, It sheds light where light was not seen before. Welcome...GOM
                ethikē aretē--phronesis--eudaimonia
                virtue of character--practical/ethical wisdom--human flourishing

                It is not a battle to win but an attitude to share.
                AVFM Mission Statement
                sigpic

                Comment


                • #9
                  Thanks for the comment, GOM. The internet is indeed a great illuminator, but it can also be a great smog....As I said regarding echo chambers and the like. But that is only one part, for sure. Places like here, while there is some closed mindedness and a great deal of anger, is open and honest. So even if you are WRONG, someone will be there with some information, and in many cases, support. Hence why I like it here; we may not all agree, but we do agree on being heard and hearing each other out (for the most part) and THAT, frankly, is amazing.
                  "Not all with tits are twisted." -Me

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Welcome aboard.
                    Stop slavery - don't marry.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by KikiSpaghetti View Post
                      Thanks for the comment, GOM. The internet is indeed a great illuminator, but it can also be a great smog....As I said regarding echo chambers and the like. But that is only one part, for sure. Places like here, while there is some closed mindedness and a great deal of anger, is open and honest. So even if you are WRONG, someone will be there with some information, and in many cases, support. Hence why I like it here; we may not all agree, but we do agree on being heard and hearing each other out (for the most part) and THAT, frankly, is amazing.
                      ya..OK! our job is to challenge "close mindedness" "anger" unjustified when we see it and support our facts. I have no doubt I'm wrong on many things, what I am confident of is when I see imputations without support. See I don't see close mindedness/anger unjustified but from only of whome claim to call it out without backing it up, otherwise I see folks being honest. So if I'm "WRONG" I'm waiting to see the information and not just pot shots of the notion I may be "WRONG". I'm glad you like it here, I do to.
                      Last edited by Grumpy Old Man; 06-13-2014, 09:28 AM.
                      ethikē aretē--phronesis--eudaimonia
                      virtue of character--practical/ethical wisdom--human flourishing

                      It is not a battle to win but an attitude to share.
                      AVFM Mission Statement
                      sigpic

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by KikiSpaghetti View Post
                        You see, once upon a time, feminism wasn't always crazy.
                        You couldn't be more wrong.
                        The pioneers of feminism in America were part of the WKKK.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by KikiSpaghetti View Post
                          You see, once upon a time, feminism wasn't always crazy.
                          First US female senator- forced the resignation of a college professor because he was anti-lynching:
                          Felton was also known for her conservative racial views. In an 1897 speech she said that the biggest problem facing women on the farm was the danger of black rapists. "If it takes lynching to protect women's dearest possession from drunken, ravening beasts," she said, "then I say lynch a thousand a week." She condemned anyone who dared to question the South's racial policies; when Andrew Sledd, a professor at Emory College, did just that in an article published in 1902 in the Atlantic Monthly, she was instrumental in forcing his resignation from the school.

                          Not to mention, Margaret Sanger's infamous quote in "Women, Morality and Birth Control"
                          We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.
                          or Belle Kearney
                          The enfranchisement of women would insure immediate and durable white supremacy, honestly attained, for upon unquestioned authority it is stated that in every southern State but one there are more educated women than all the illiterate voters, white and black, native and foreign, combined. As you probably know, of all the women in the South who can read and write, ten out of every eleven are white. When it comes to the proportion of property between the races, that of the white outweighs that of the black immeasurably.
                          or Elizabeth Cady Stanton
                          What will we and our daughters suffer if these degraded black men are allowed to have the rights that would make them even worse than our Saxon fathers?
                          or Frances Willard
                          Alien illiterates rule our cities today; the saloon is their palace, and the toddy stick their scepter. The colored race multiplies like the locusts of Egypt.
                          The ancient shitposter returns.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by KikiSpaghetti View Post
                            Thanks for the comment, GOM. The internet is indeed a great illuminator, but it can also be a great smog.....
                            Originally posted by KikiSpaghetti View Post
                            To add to your point regarding feminism being no better/worse now, it perhaps is worse. The reason? Internet. Like disease, you get a bunch of people in an enclosed space and it spreads faster, more severe cases come up, more casualties, etc.
                            hehe. i think you're obsessed with the internet.
                            Originally posted by MatrixTransform
                            where were you before you put yourself last?
                            Originally posted by TheNarrator
                            Everywhere I travel, tiny life. Single-serving sugar, single-serving cream, single pat of butter. The microwave Cordon Bleu hobby kit. Shampoo-conditioner combos, sample-packaged mouthwash, tiny bars of soap. The people I meet on each flight? They're single-serving friends.

                            Comment

                            Working...
                            X