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  • "speshul snoooooowflake!!!!"

    (Note: I am not directing this at any of you in particular. I am not demanding anything in particular. As stated in this section's description, I am merely blowing off steam. This is something I fee like I need to get off my shoulders.

    You all probably know that, in real life, it is not very safe to openly be anything other than a cis man or cis woman. Hate crimes, attacks, slurs, discrimination, and social rejection are very real. There is just a sense of unwelcomeness, and it sucks to have one's identity constantly denied. (I'm not speaking for all experiences, but it's common in my area.) That is why I feel an unbelievably earth-shattering sense of relief when I can authentically label myself as who I am online, where I'm mostly anonymous and thus won't face personal judgment, where I will not face real-life repercussions, where large pockets of Internet community recognize and accept me. It gives me hope.

    But there are some questions that still need to be answered:

    *At times, I've been called out as being a "special snowflake." What does that even mean?

    *If I'm a "special snowflake!!1!!1!" for labeling myself as what I am, are you a special snowflake for labeling what YOUR gender is?

    *I read on Instagram that someone is "sick of all this genderqueer, genderfluid shit," with many voices of assent. In other words, he's sick of my existence as who I am. If someone said they were sick of seeing women, or sick of hearing about men, that would widely be viewed as bigotry, and rightfully so. But apparently when someone says they're sick of my gender, and I consider that bigotry, it's just chalked up to "political correctness"?

    ~~~


    I'm probably going to be called a thought police officer. But I know that ignorant bigotry will always exist; I've accepted that long ago. The problem lies when this bigotry is rarely viewed to be bigotry.

  • #2
    People ought to be known by their actions and what they can contribute. If you do great things for others you will be known for doing great things. This does not come from boasting or conversations about how you are different from the norm and need to be acknowledged for these differences.

    There has been an explosion of entitlement in our culture. Not gender-specific, but certainly it seems to be more of a thing in the way we raise girls. Parenting has become less about raising self-sufficient adults and more about having happy kids. It's all now all about have self-esteem and "all I want for you is happiness". You come into a world with hundreds of thousands of people and expect us to notice you...

    Why?

    I don't give a shit who you are. I won't be unkind or unfriendly. But don't expect special treatment. We all have our own shit.
    "It is not death that a man should fear, but he should fear never beginning to live." -Marcus Aurelius

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    • #3
      Originally posted by RathaX View Post
      People ought to be known by their actions and what they can contribute. If you do great things for others you will be known for doing great things. This does not come from boasting or conversations about how you are different from the norm and need to be acknowledged for these differences.

      There has been an explosion of entitlement in our culture. Not gender-specific, but certainly it seems to be more of a thing in the way we raise girls. Parenting has become less about raising self-sufficient adults and more about having happy kids. It's all now all about have self-esteem and "all I want for you is happiness". You come into a world with hundreds of thousands of people and expect us to notice you...

      Why?

      I don't give a shit who you are. I won't be unkind or unfriendly. But don't expect special treatment. We all have our own shit.
      When have I ever come on here asking for special treatment?

      The reason I'm bringing this issue up is that, unlike cis women and cis men, trans folks hardly even get the decent expectation of having their identity recognized fulfilled. Looking at our culture, it's glaringly clear that we are, much of the time, not even viewed equally. That sucks. I wish more people would care.

      When you rambled about entitlement in the second paragraph, I don't know how that's relevant. Are you trying to imply that I am genderfluid in an attempt to stand out?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Orthorexic Atheist View Post
        When have I ever come on here asking for special treatment?

        The reason I'm bringing this issue up is that, unlike cis women and cis men, trans folks hardly even get the decent expectation of having their identity recognized fulfilled. Looking at our culture, it's glaringly clear that we are, much of the time, not even viewed equally. That sucks. I wish more people would care.

        When you rambled about entitlement in the second paragraph, I don't know how that's relevant. Are you trying to imply that I am genderfluid in an attempt to stand out?
        No, when you said you were often called a special snowflake I went into ranting mode. This is something that I have personally been working through and the things I have come to realize about special snowflakes.

        Why do identities need outside "fulfilment". That sounds strange to me. We all long for approval, I am not sure why you see the world as giving "unequal" treatment to Trans people. How would people show that they care more?
        "It is not death that a man should fear, but he should fear never beginning to live." -Marcus Aurelius

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        • #5
          Originally posted by RathaX View Post
          No, when you said you were often called a special snowflake I went into ranting mode. This is something that I have personally been working through and the things I have come to realize about special snowflakes.

          Why do identities need outside "fulfilment". That sounds strange to me. We all long for approval, I am not sure why you see the world as giving "unequal" treatment to Trans people. How would people show that they care more?
          Is that a blanket denial of trans inequality? I don't see cis people being discriminated against for identifying with the gender they were assigned at birth. (x, x, x, x)

          I don't think wanting acceptance is the same as the way a cis person wants acceptance. You don't see such bitter ignorance, prejudice, and violence toward cis people for being cis. Many trans people have spoken up about this. If we lived in a world where people cared more, it would be good for the mental health and safety of folks like us. And it's just human decency, so...

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          • #6
            So yeah. That was just refuting the spurious claim that trans people aren't unequal and that the struggle for acceptance is not a specific issue.

            Anyway, were you attempting to refute anything in my original post?

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            • #7
              Everyone creates their identity. If you are born a gender and feel you can be a more authentic by changing, doing so should make one more confident in that self. You would think this authenticity would bring more to others and even inspire people that feel the same way to have the courage to do so. I can understand there are probably not a lot of people accepting of this idea, but honestly, if you need this approval more than living as your true self perhaps how your community responds should be more of a priority. You can always find a way to make it work; I refuse to see trans people as victims. Where I am there is probably a greater acceptance of lgbt and perhaps this is how I have come to my own views. I see people connecting with others based on their confidence, self-acceptance and what they bring with them- not their gender and sexuality.

              BTW, what the fuck is genderfluid?
              "It is not death that a man should fear, but he should fear never beginning to live." -Marcus Aurelius

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              • #8
                Originally posted by RathaX View Post
                I refuse to see trans people as victims. Where I am there is probably a greater acceptance of lgbt and perhaps this is how I have come to my own views. I see people connecting with others based on their confidence, self-acceptance and what they bring with them- not their gender and sexuality.
                You cannot deny that we in the trans community are disproportionately victimized. It doesn't occur just as a figment of people's minds, so denying that it exists doesn't make things better. And I'm pretty sure that last sentence is a strawman. Of course we should look beyond people's genders and sexualities (sexuality was irrelevant to this convo, but hey, since you brought it up)--it is the bigots, not the activists, who are defining people's worth and status by their gender/sexuality. Just like straightness and cisness are fully recognized and accepted and don't face discrimination/prejudice/denial, I think it's time for people outside that norm to receive the same. Wouldn't that be fair?

                Originally posted by RathaX View Post
                BTW, what the fuck is genderfluid?
                Happy to educate you! It means my sense of gender identity is sometimes male, sometimes female, and sometimes something else that's a mix that I don't even know. To me, it's not about gendered roles or expression; it's how I relate to gender. Like all gender identities, it's rooted in neurological wiring, and while my personal identification was an (informed) choice, these feelings are not.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Robexlbs
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                  the fuck is that?

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                  • #10
                    Spammer?...
                    "It is not death that a man should fear, but he should fear never beginning to live." -Marcus Aurelius

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                    • #11
                      some bot that shows up from time to time

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                      • #12
                        You don't see such bitter ignorance, prejudice, and violence toward cis people for being cis
                        The hell I don't, the very use of Cis itself is a derogatory term spoken most often as a slur against people who are not differently gendered.
                        you say Cis-gendered when what you really mean is a Cyst on society, a pus filled infection needing to be surgically removed.

                        there's no hatred when you claim straight white men are the source of all evil in the world? no hate when you tell little boys that they are the problem and they should just kill themselves if they aren't lucky enough to identify as something other than the Cyst-gendered straight male because you damn well should know that a persons sexuality isn't a choice you hypocritical bastard.

                        how in the Fuck do you expect that you could be treated as a normal person the same as everyone else while at the same time demanding your uniquely special individuality must be acknowledged and respected despite pigeonholing everyone else into a singular group based purely upon a sexual preference they likely have less control over than you do yours.

                        you want to come back and talk about how cyst-gendered people don't receive hate to someone who was shamed and abused nearly his entire childhood for having been born a strait male rather than the girl he should have been by his own Mother and her Coven of Radfem cronies, until by the time he reached puberty he could not even conceive of any interaction with any female which involved anything other than pain and humiliation for him. frankly FUCK YOU.
                        how many times have you attempted suicide because you were a worthless piece of shit that no one could ever love, how many fucking times have you picked yourself up off the floor after regaining consciousness because the god damn rope broke again and continued on in silence because you don't want to bother anyone else with your stupid pathetic problems you just want an end to the pain to the suffering to yourself.

                        you want to come in here and talk about how YOU are treated badly you privileged prick because anything any fucking sexual Identity is more socially acceptable than being a strait male. the primary form of unintentional hatred toward your group is accidentally being mistaken for mine and god forbid you be considered a 'potential' rapist or child abuser a primary aggressor and a threat because someone mistook you for a 'strait' male based upon your outward appearance alone.
                        oh no someone called you a man oh the hate directed at you never mind the hate you a projecting towards actual men by claiming that to be a horrible thing for you to be called, you ever consider that? no of course not.

                        you want to know what special snowflake means, you are proclaiming your individuality (every snowflake is unique no two are alike.) while at the same time you are just like everyone else (together we are all just snow.) that's everyone you know. you only become a Spechuul snowflake when you insist that your uniqueness is somehow more important that you are more special than everyone else.
                        "It is the greatest inequality to try to make unequal things equal." - Aristotle

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                        • #13
                          Damn it, I got a hard on... - goes and surfs porn -
                          RWBY is Legend. Honey Badgers

                          Women Against Feminism.

                          Logic trumps ignorance, but emotion retards edification.

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                          • #14
                            I think what is being said is as a general rule, trans experience more prejudice. Again, general rule. Do I believe a lot of the specifics? No, as its the same sources that call out 1 in 5 and the like, but I believe that, again, on average, they are a target when compared. Now, the numbers dont work out too well; there are waaaaaaay more straight guys than trans folk, so automatically, it will look like out of their lot, more deal with issues. Does that mean they do or not comparitively? The scale doesnt work, so you cant just overall compare. Personally, as a bio and psych background, we live in binary. XX and XY. Thats it. Odd time we get some mutation but nature is fundamentally binary. Shit can go wrong, though; brain chemistry, hormonal issues, etc can mess that up. Thats why trans and gender fluid are still considered diagnosable conidtions; gender dysphoria. It accects max. 2% of the world population, and many dont go to therapy because its "normal". Well, if I felt bad being a human being and felkt I was depe down a fish, thats an issue. Better comparrison: if you see yourself as hideous and fat when you are actually heallthy and pretty, that is called anorexia. It is a disolution between what is really there and what we think. Now, I know men who like to dress like women and vice versa. They are biologically whatever. Hell, I used to HATE being a girl. I cried to sleep wishing I was a bou but guess what: i realized something. I am a human being. I am a girl and to me, girl means i have lady parts but ontop of that, whever I want it to mean. I am a boyish girl. And I owned it. And once I realized I had that power, I felt a lot better. So go and say and do as you wish, but behavuours and words have consequences and if that means being offended when people dont use the right pronoun or stare a little too long, you just have to get over that. If you truly accepted yourself, that wouldnt bother you. If I was called he when Im a she, Id not care. Ive had that happen as a kid, didnt even correct them, because I know who I am, and thats all you need. Now, people shouldnt be jack asses to you, but no more so than no one should be a jack ass to anyone. Rant over. Own yourself, and get over getting affirmation from others. It sucks, but Im sorry, thats being a healthy, mentally capable adult.
                            "Not all with tits are twisted." -Me

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Jack H. View Post
                              The hell I don't, the very use of Cis itself is a derogatory term spoken most often as a slur against people who are not differently gendered.
                              you say Cis-gendered when what you really mean is a Cyst on society, a pus filled infection needing to be surgically removed.
                              WHAT THE FUCK. No. I was not using it as a slur; going by Latin roots, it is the opposite of trans. That is not what I mean; quit strawmanning. I'm sorry if you're so hurt.

                              there's no hatred when you claim straight white men are the source of all evil in the world? no hate when you tell little boys that they are the problem and they should just kill themselves if they aren't lucky enough to identify as something other than the Cyst-gendered straight male because you damn well should know that a persons sexuality isn't a choice you hypocritical bastard.
                              Strawman. I'm not saying you're a problem. (And cis isn't a sexuality, so....)

                              how in the Fuck do you expect that you could be treated as a normal person the same as everyone else while at the same time demanding your uniquely special individuality must be acknowledged and respected despite pigeonholing everyone else into a singular group based purely upon a sexual preference they likely have less control over than you do yours.
                              What? "Pigeonholed"? I have not made any assumptions or stereotypes about cis people. The word is merely a description; it's not pigeonholing any more than "trans" or "woman" or "man" can be considered "pigeonholing a group of people. And how the flying FUCK is cis a sexual preference?

                              you want to come back and talk about how cyst-gendered people don't receive hate to someone who was shamed and abused nearly his entire childhood for having been born a strait male rather than the girl he should have been by his own Mother and her Coven of Radfem cronies, until by the time he reached puberty he could not even conceive of any interaction with any female which involved anything other than pain and humiliation for him. frankly FUCK YOU.
                              how many times have you attempted suicide because you were a worthless piece of shit that no one could ever love, how many fucking times have you picked yourself up off the floor after regaining consciousness because the god damn rope broke again and continued on in silence because you don't want to bother anyone else with your stupid pathetic problems you just want an end to the pain to the suffering to yourself.
                              I am incredibly sorry to hear that. Very much so. Misandry is dreadful. But that's what it is at its core--misandry and child abuse. The radical feminist movement is transphobic, not cisphobic, so....

                              you want to come in here and talk about how YOU are treated badly you privileged prick because anything any fucking sexual Identity is more socially acceptable than being a strait male. the primary form of unintentional hatred toward your group is accidentally being mistaken for mine and god forbid you be considered a 'potential' rapist or child abuser a primary aggressor and a threat because someone mistook you for a 'strait' male based upon your outward appearance alone.
                              oh no someone called you a man oh the hate directed at you never mind the hate you a projecting towards actual men by claiming that to be a horrible thing for you to be called, you ever consider that? no of course not.
                              WHEN HAVE I EVER SAID THAT? Nowhere in my statement did I state a hatred for straight men. I'm an MRA myself. Why else would I be on here?

                              you want to know what special snowflake means, you are proclaiming your individuality (every snowflake is unique no two are alike.) while at the same time you are just like everyone else (together we are all just snow.) that's everyone you know. you only become a Spechuul snowflake when you insist that your uniqueness is somehow more important that you are more special than everyone else.
                              And when have I ever said that? That's the essence of my original post. Just because of my identity, it's assumed that I am trying to be an individual. I'm not. As you said, cis men are just being who they are. Trans men are just being who they are too. Trans women, cis women, anyone else--and me, a genderfluid person. (And since you brought sexuality into the ordeal and I didn't, yes, I understand that sexuality is just inherent and not a choice.)

                              It would be wrong to push another group down while lifting my group up. Of course misandry is legitimately serious. But you're just strawmanning. None of what you said refutes or even addresses my original post.

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