Charlottesville

[MatrixTransform]

Few days have gone by this insident, and nobody in this forums have commented, so I guess it is my duty...

Yeah mate.

keep on goose-stepping yr way to a unifying answer for everything.

Since it seems you have decided that other posters here are evil, I suppose you reckon youre on the side of 'good' eh

You'd fit right in with Venezuela's new "Truth Commission"

Im utterly amazed and horrified at the insanity on display.

Where have we seen this sort of thing before???

Oh yeah thats right, Wiemar Germany for one.

But what do historic parallels have to do with anything heh?

edit: hah...seems like Im not the only one seeing history rhymes

[simpleman]

This is the statement anti Trump, leftists and mainstream media are condemning him for?

This makes him a racist?

Didn't call the violent by name in that video, no a single time he say a word about the KKK or the neo-nazis... what is your point?

[simpleman]

Alt-Right Activists Condemn Violence, Dispute Mainstream Account


I agree very much with what you said.

And I will add that there are a number of alternative viewpoints to the situation that the mainstream media are refusing to consider-- *consider*-- as in even bother to tell you could be *possibilities*. They are so entrenched in slanting it into a one-sided conflict. I am presenting this link not as "the truth", but as an alternate explanation for the events presented from another viewpoint. I fully expect that there are details, recollections, and even outright biases and projections contained within-- but it is as "valid" as the perspective presented by the mainstream media-- meaning, it is simply more of the story for the viewer to see, read, absorb and try to incorporate as he/she tries to make an UNBIASED EFFORT to actually UNDERSTAND what happened-- and what IS happening in our nation right now.

Alt-Right Activists Condemn Violence, Dispute Mainstream Account
http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...tream-account/

And there are lots of different video feeds to view from different angles and perspectives. Pick one, pick many-- they show a different version of the truth.

YouTube Videos: "Charlottesville Car Video"
https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...ille+car+video

This is not the first time extreme left and extreme right clash in the streets...

However in this case, you can't really say the level of violence was equal.. just by the head count of dead and injured in both sides...

This prayer is going around jewish communities:

http://tobendlight.com/2017/08/we-will-not-yield/

After violence from white supremacists left death and injury in Charlottesville, here’s a prayer and a call to action for all who love this nation.

We Will Not Yield
Today,
I am neither Democrat nor Republican,
Neither left nor right nor center.
I am an American,
Born to a legacy of truth and justice,
Born to a legacy of freedom and equality.

Today, I am a patriot
Who will not yield this nation to hate.
Not to neo-Nazis.
Not to thugs self-styled as militia.
Not to slogans or chants.
Not to gestures or flags.
Not to threats and not to violence.

Hate is hate,
Ugly and brutal,
And we will not yield.

Today,
I am Christian, Muslim and Jew,
Catholic, Buddist, Hindu and Sikh,
Atheist and agnostic.
I am Asian, Latino, Hispanic, African American,
White, Native American and multi-racial.
I am an immigrant, a child of the American Revolution,
A veteran and a soldier.
I work in the dark depth of the mines
And the high towers of Wall Street,
In the factories and the farms,
In our hospitals and strip malls.
I am gay, lesbian, straight, bi, trans,
Man, woman and gender-neutral.
I am young, old, blind and deaf,
Hearing and sighted,
Disabled,
Powerful and unafraid.

Truth is truth,
That all are created equal,
And we will not yield.

Today, I am an American,
A citizen of the United States,
A child of this great democracy,
A child of this wise republic,
Dedicated to liberty,
Dedicated to action.

We will not yield.

[simpleman]

If the Deep State/Swamp/Washington Establishment/Pedophiles do force out Trump...

You are sick.

[simpleman]

I don't have much time, may reply more later.



The men dressed in fatigues with rifles were not there as white-nationalists or racists. They were there as peace-keepers. That doesn't mean none of them are racist, I don't know. But that wasn't their purpose there. Mostly this article expose the prejudice and fear of the jewish man who wrote the posting. We can debate the merits or rationality of his fear, but the truth of the matter is that man he was afraid of probably did more to keep him safe than the police who withdrew from the situation.

Unfortunately postings like the one shared in the OP present people's assumptions as facts that then need to be countered with the truth.

People are tired of seeing violence on the news. They're tired of watching anti-fa show up as a "counter protest" with the specific goal of inciting violence and the police and authorities turning a blind-eye. In the face of numerous instances where the police have allowed violence to occur, these particular men showed up to try to help keep the peace. For their trouble they're being lumped in with racists and white-nationalists.

How do you know who the 3 people with guns was???

For what I understand, they never approach the people in the synagogue, introduced themselves and explain their presence...

I don't see how you know who they are and what where their motives...

By the way, every time there is a nazi demonstration they manage to route it in front of a synagogue and proceed to do their little show... this is not a 1 time event... In some cases there have being vandalized property and assault too...

[simpleman]

Legitimate questions to be asked about what the hell was going on. More than one video shows that there were protestors armed with bats or similar behind the car and pursuing it. You can see two different groups of protestors, the car victims wearing normal clothing, assembled in a crowd and no weapons apparent. These people got ploughed into, you can also see others, faces covered attacking the car from behind who proceed to smash it after it impacts the crowd. This footage doesn't clarify anything, perhaps assembling all the evidence might. But there is more going on than just a 'maniac in a car' explains.

To be honest, I would attack the car too, after I see it mow down a crow, My intention would be to stop him to mow down more people and prevent him to escape... probably a greater challenge to avoid the people to lynch him... so did people got him and turn him to the cops? or he mow down people all the way to his escape from that place?... what would you do different?

Would be interesting to see the opinion of the forum if the crow capture him and turn him to the cops instead of... In the video it looks like he fail to escape?

[simpleman]

Drone video shows that he came from a less populated area straight into the crowd... He was not afraid and trying to escape the antifas... he deliberately seek for the crowd and runs them down with his car

No self defence:

[simpleman]

Again video shows he was not escaping antifaz that were attacking him, he used the car as a weapon against people standing in a corner:

[simpleman]

Trump says it was violence in both sides... Video doesn't show it...

[oldblueeyes]

You are sick.

Regarding what, pedophiles? Well, for a long time nobody in a million years would have believed Catholic priests would ever rape boys, but what happened? Riiiiiiight. It wouldn't surprise me if the conspiracy theory whispers about some politicians being pedophiles were true.

[Dee]

- Aside from simpleman, what took you so long? This by far exceeds the importance of the "Damoron" case at least.

- Going over some of the responses, you may not have grasped what actually happened.

- A man mowed down a group of human beings with his car.

- Here it goes again in case it didn't sink in: A man .. mowed down .. a group of human beings with his car.

- This was only one man, his actions doesn't represent the entire group, and what he did was horrific and a clear-cut case of domestic terrorism.

- During stressful times like these, the entire nation looks upon one man: The President. They wait for his condemnation of this horrendous act first. And they look to him for words of comfort & great reassurance that such acts will never happen again.

- F'king it up is an understatement as to the way Trump responded.

- I'd be willing to overlook the belated condemnation had it been decent & forceful rather than one in which "both sides" were blamed. Was there another f'king Dodge we didn't know about, Trump?

- Being aware of their public responsibility, republicans across the country wasted no time in harshly condemning the attack, including Jeff Sessions who labeled the attack as an act of terrorism .. and that guy's super conservative and viewed negatively by minorities & activists.

- Forget Trump, even if there was another president and he was a racist, his only actions would be to severely condemn this attack.

- That's if he had any sense at all .. that's what it comes down to .. and Trump has absolutely no sense at all.

- His second round at condemning the attack was both tragic & comical as he started out by talking about jobs, stability, and the economy. Clueless.

- And you know what's funny? I think it was last month when Trump jumped the gun and condemned an armed robbery in the Philippines, labeling it "a terrorist attack," amidst all the laughter. He was later informed that it was an armed man trying to rob a casino in Manila.

- What a f'king joke. No wonder the Senate blocked him from making recess appointments until they get back from summer break. He's been wanting to fire Sessions and replace him while Congress was outta town .. he acts like a child, so they treat him like one.

[Mifune]

How do you know who the 3 people with guns was???

For what I understand, they never approach the people in the synagogue, introduced themselves and explain their presence...

I don't see how you know who they are and what where their motives...

By the way, every time there is a nazi demonstration they manage to route it in front of a synagogue and proceed to do their little show... this is not a 1 time event... In some cases there have being vandalized property and assault too...

I don't know with certainty who they were. But I think that given:

1. The link I posted previously.
2. The fact that the permitted protestors came largely with shields and melee weapons not firearms
3. The fact that nobody got shot despite the escalating violence between the other factions.

it's a reasonable inference.

I didn't really argue whether it was reasonable for the author in the Synagogue to feel threatened. I was remarking the ease with which someone who's intentions are ostensibly good can have deeply negative intentions ascribed to them.

[oldblueeyes]

Drone video shows that he came from a less populated area straight into the crowd..

Wow, I didn't realize the crowd was so tiny. Just like ants when viewed from above, aren't we?

Why Was This 'Crowd Hire' Company Recruiting $25 An Hour 'Political Activists' In Charlotte Last Week?

Strange.

[Mifune]

By the way, every time there is a nazi demonstration they manage to route...

Was this a "nazi" demonstration or a racist / identitarian demonstration? I realize those aren't mutually exclusive, but I'm concerned with the use of language lately. Nazis can be racist. Racists can be nazis. And while by-and-large most Nazis are probably racists, that doesn't mean that most racists are necessarily Nazis.

I'm especially concerned because of the modern language of "it's okay to punch nazis"....is leading people to call everyone they find morally objectionable a nazi. Othering people by placing them in a separate moral category, is the first step in the rationalization process to justify violence. People know it's immoral to initiate violence against another person, but if that person isn't really a person by virtue of their skin color, belief system or politics, then somehow it becomes okay.

As a thought experiment I wonder if we could come up with other times in history where one group of people made rationalizations about why another group of people was "less human" to justify their atrocities. See how many you can find!

[simpleman]

Regarding what, pedophiles? Well, for a long time nobody in a million years would have believed Catholic priests would ever rape boys, but what happened? Riiiiiiight. It wouldn't surprise me if the conspiracy theory whispers about some politicians being pedophiles were true.

Yeah, from the list you offer, that was the most wild statement...

So basically the people that have different political ideas than you are the worse kind of devils?